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		<title>Talk:3D printed beehives</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Alex English: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Concerns:&lt;br /&gt;
How much does the plastic cost versus local wood?&lt;br /&gt;
:I hadn&#039;t thought about that. Local wood could be free, I suppose. You can get 5lb PLA for $60 [http://ultimachine.com/content/pla-3mm-green-5lb here] = $12/lb = 2.65cent per gram. Density is about 1.3 g/cc. So the price of PLA is 2c per cubic centimeter. Number of cubic centimeters per beehive is a tricky one, I&#039;ll get back to it.&lt;br /&gt;
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How much is heat used in beekeeping (heated knives to open honeycomb) and is it hot enough to warp or destroy the polycaprolactone build material used by RepRap etc.?&lt;br /&gt;
:Not an issue. PLA melts around 180°C (356°F) - your bees would be dead long before you reach that!&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it possible to build a (heh) honeycomb structure which maintains the outer surface contour of &amp;quot;standard&amp;quot; beehive components, and thus be compatible so beekeepers could mix-and-match printed versus traditional components in their hives? Using a hollow-but-reinforced printed structure could reduce weight while maintaining enough strength. But this requires research. A frame loaded with wax and honey has considerable weight. How much? How strong do the frames need to be to resist the load placed on them?&lt;br /&gt;
:There&#039;s a rule of thumb that a full frame weights 5lb. I like the hollow interior idea.&lt;br /&gt;
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Surfaces: Can RepRap printed objects be sterilized to eliminate bacteria, fungus, etc which attack hives? Do they provide crevices for mites etc?&lt;br /&gt;
:This a problem with wooden hives already. Plastic should have less crevices than wood.&lt;br /&gt;
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And the big one: will the bees accept the material and build in printed hives?&lt;br /&gt;
:I think we can&#039;t know for sure until we try. They do build in styrofoam hives. &lt;br /&gt;
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Perhaps we&#039;d be better off focusing on 3D/2.5D _routed_ wooden hives. A single CNC router could produce many many hives to be distributed in an area for the cost of the wood/plywood/MDF/OSB/foam material used to make the structures.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Wolfrick|Wolfrick]] 13:48, 27 February 2011 (PST)&lt;br /&gt;
:That&#039;s a good point. As long as they&#039;re cheap it doesn&#039;t matter how they&#039;re made.&lt;br /&gt;
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Perhaps a top-bar hive design might be appropriate to consider.  They are less complex in design, and less complex to maintain, does not require a centrifugal honey extractor, and requires less heavy lifting to use.  This method of beekeeping is also supposed to be healthier for the bees.  The downside is a lower yield of honey. See: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-bar_hive wikipedia article], [http://www.biobees.com/ biobees] --[[User:Alex English|Alex English]] 00:34, 27 April 2011 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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