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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Brianna_Kufa&amp;diff=128366</id>
		<title>Brianna Kufa</title>
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		<updated>2015-04-21T06:11:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Blanked the page&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Brianna_Kufa&amp;diff=79389</id>
		<title>Brianna Kufa</title>
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		<updated>2012-11-08T21:08:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Blanked the page&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Fef_electricity&amp;diff=67861</id>
		<title>Fef electricity</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-30T20:03:29Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Welder Extension Cord/wiring==&lt;br /&gt;
We need to wire the shop so we can move the welder safely; the &amp;quot;ghetto wiring&amp;quot; we have now keeps shorting out and will likely melt the insulation, as we are using wire far too thin for what the welder is rated for.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A first step would be making an extension cord for the welder.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Three considerations should be specified before making extension cord:&lt;br /&gt;
*Wire type (meaning gauge and strands per cord)&lt;br /&gt;
*Wire length&lt;br /&gt;
*Plugs at end&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Wire length&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
Brianna determined 35&#039;. This has to do with placement of wall outlet, and overall shop size. We want the welder to be able to go throughout most of the shop, without needing another extension cord or a creative wiring solution.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Wire type&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
This is a bit more difficult. We have 2 conflicting ways of determining what the diameter should be:&lt;br /&gt;
*Ampacity- Welder is rated for 40A, so according to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge AWG recommendations] a minimum of 10ga is required. However, this assumes we have insulation rated for 90 degrees C. If we can&#039;t find this, 8 ga should do.&lt;br /&gt;
*Wire type on welder- assuming the welder engineers knew what they were doing, we should mimic what gauge they put on the welder plug. From what Brianna measured on the millermatic 200 welder, the diameter of the wire is ~.15&amp;quot;, which appears to be 6ga or 7ga.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Plug&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
The plugs should have the female end matching the welders we currently have. Both have different plugs, so perhaps we can get one of each plug.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Fef_electricity&amp;diff=67860</id>
		<title>Fef electricity</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-30T19:58:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Created page with &amp;quot;==Welder Extension Cord/wiring== We need to wire the shop so we can move the welder safely; the &amp;quot;ghetto wiring&amp;quot; we have now keeps shorting out and will likely melt the insulation...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Welder Extension Cord/wiring==&lt;br /&gt;
We need to wire the shop so we can move the welder safely; the &amp;quot;ghetto wiring&amp;quot; we have now keeps shorting out and will likely melt the insulation, as we are using wire far too thin for what the welder is rated for.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A first step would be making an extension cord for the welder.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Three considerations should be specified before making extension cord:&lt;br /&gt;
*Wire type (meaning gauge and strands per cord)&lt;br /&gt;
*Wire length&lt;br /&gt;
*Plugs at end&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Wire length&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
Brianna determined 35&#039;. This has to do with placement of wall outlet, and overall shop size. We want the welder to be able to go throughout most of the shop, without needing another extension cord or a creative wiring solution.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Wire type&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
This is a bit more difficult. We have 2 conflicting ways of determining what the diameter should be:&lt;br /&gt;
*Ampacity- Welder is rated for 40A, so according to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge AWG recommendations] a minimum of 10ga is required. However, this assumes we have insulation rated for 90 degrees C. If we can&#039;t find this, 8 ga should do.&lt;br /&gt;
*Wire type on welder- assuming the welder engineers knew what they were doing, we should mimic what gauge they put on the welder plug. From what Brianna measured on the millermatic 200 welder, it appears it is 5ga.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Plug&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
The plugs should have the female end matching the welders we currently have. Both have different plugs, so perhaps we can get one of each plug.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/V1_Design_Files/Mount_Disc&amp;diff=67468</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/V1 Design Files/Mount Disc</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-27T02:41:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Mount Disc */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
=Mount Disc=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Shape: Round Plate&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Outside Diameter: 120mm&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Inside Diameter: 32mm&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Thickness: 12.7mm&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Number of Pinholes: 2&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Pinhole Diameter: 8mm&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Pinhole Distance from Center: 45mm&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;2D Image&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image: ColdSawV1MountDisc.jpg|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;3D CAD STP&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File: ColdSawV1MountDisc.stp]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;2D Fabrication Drawing PDF&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Metric: [[File: ColdSawV1MountDisc.pdf]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Imperial: [[File: ColdSawV1MountDiscImperial.pdf]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;2D Fabrication Drawing DXF&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File: ColdSawV1MountDisc.dxf]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=File:ColdSawV1MountDiscImperial.pdf&amp;diff=67463</id>
		<title>File:ColdSawV1MountDiscImperial.pdf</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-27T02:38:55Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/V1_Design_Files/Mount_Disc&amp;diff=67461</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/V1 Design Files/Mount Disc</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-27T02:38:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Mount Disc */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
=Mount Disc=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Shape: Round Plate&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Outside Diameter: 120mm&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Inside Diameter: 32mm&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Thickness: 12.7mm&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Number of Pinholes: 2&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Pinhole Diameter: 8mm&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Pinhole Distance from Center: 45mm&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;2D Image&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image: ColdSawV1MountDisc.jpg|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;3D CAD STP&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File: ColdSawV1MountDisc.stp]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;2D Fabrication Drawing PDF&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Metric: [[File: ColdSawV1MountDisc.pdf]]&lt;br /&gt;
Imperial: [[File: ColdSawV1MountDiscImperial.pdf]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;2D Fabrication Drawing DXF&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File: ColdSawV1MountDisc.dxf]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/brainstorm&amp;diff=67178</id>
		<title>Ironworker/punch/brainstorm</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T02:59:57Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Created page with &amp;quot;Things I need to find and document: *Proper height for die block: will be when upper arm is parallel with floor *Angle change over the full necessary throw of punch *Piranha dove...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Things I need to find and document:&lt;br /&gt;
*Proper height for die block: will be when upper arm is parallel with floor&lt;br /&gt;
*Angle change over the full necessary throw of punch&lt;br /&gt;
*Piranha dovetail- obtain or do without? Is there another way of mounting without a dovetail? how much cheaper to make vs. buy&lt;br /&gt;
*buy an entire piranha punching assy? how much does it cost?&lt;br /&gt;
*Dovetail specs?&lt;br /&gt;
*buy a brake to retrofit dovetail?&lt;br /&gt;
*Design &amp;quot;upright&amp;quot; table to go along with it?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67173</id>
		<title>Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67173"/>
		<updated>2012-06-26T02:38:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Spring Specs */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Problem Statement:== Specify springs for a Piranha style punch&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Knowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Max punching force: 90T&lt;br /&gt;
*Max stripping force: [http://books.google.com/books?id=4PZxakNhjT0C&amp;amp;pg=PA122&amp;amp;lpg=PA122&amp;amp;dq=punch+stripping+force&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=kU8Bn01b4k&amp;amp;sig=lOgoD1rthuwIuBRKetHNG0JSy3Q&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;ei=6-RkT6m-JMHgsQKvs722Dw&amp;amp;ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=punch%20stripping%20force&amp;amp;f=false 25% of punching force], or .25*90T=22.5T&lt;br /&gt;
** The study mentioned *UP TO 25%*, with an average of under 10%, which would come to 9T, which is well within spec. This depends on a few factors:&lt;br /&gt;
***How many times the punch has been used (after 7, the force decreases, as punch smoothens out)&lt;br /&gt;
***Whether or not the punch is lubricated&lt;br /&gt;
***The clearance between punch and die&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Unknowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Necessary compressive force for spring&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Length, solid and stretched&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring constant&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Diameter&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Calculations==&lt;br /&gt;
===Max Compressive force===&lt;br /&gt;
=Force/# of springs &lt;br /&gt;
 - 22.5T/2 = 11.5T, at 1&amp;quot;, or any other application which requires 90T of force.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Spring Specs===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Thoughts&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Since the machine can theoretically do a cut which uses 90T of force in infinitely thin material (the diameter of the hole would need to be really big!) we should use springs which will have close to the 11.5T of force with very little distance moved. Also, this would not need to change too much as the machine progresses towards making 90T punches at the 1&amp;quot; thickness.&lt;br /&gt;
**What this tells me is that we should use a spring with spring constant (k) relatively low with relation to it&#039;s diameter, and compress it to install. This way, we won&#039;t be needing to overcome more force than necessary. &lt;br /&gt;
***IE if we need 11.5T for 1/4&amp;quot; steel, we have two options use the low constant or the high one.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use the low one, precompressed, the force will be relatively close to that, maybe a max of 15T or 20T, if we are punching thru 1&amp;quot; thick.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use a high constant, the force would quadruple over that distance, making it 46tons. If you don&#039;t understand this, take a physics class.&lt;br /&gt;
*Research on how Piranha does it:&lt;br /&gt;
**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6BeFhm3xTk&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Perhaps the easiest solution is to buy a set of piranha urethane strippers, as they are relatively cheap ($76 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6BeFhm3xTk here]). &lt;br /&gt;
**Problem with this is that it requires same length of bit and attachment as piranha, which we don&#039;t have access to... we could guess from videos and get close, but this is not preferable.&lt;br /&gt;
*Another option is to buy the polyurethane die strippers from McMaster, and do a design like piranha. It appears they don&#039;t have anything which offers enough resistance... but perhaps it is something which can be tested, as the most expensive pair would be $23, instead of $76.&lt;br /&gt;
*Final option is strippers which are punch specific, like [http://www.acrotechinc.com/standard-products/surstrip-punch-strippers.php here]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67172</id>
		<title>Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67172"/>
		<updated>2012-06-26T02:26:08Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Problem Statement:== Specify springs for a Piranha style punch&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Knowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Max punching force: 90T&lt;br /&gt;
*Max stripping force: [http://books.google.com/books?id=4PZxakNhjT0C&amp;amp;pg=PA122&amp;amp;lpg=PA122&amp;amp;dq=punch+stripping+force&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=kU8Bn01b4k&amp;amp;sig=lOgoD1rthuwIuBRKetHNG0JSy3Q&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;ei=6-RkT6m-JMHgsQKvs722Dw&amp;amp;ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=punch%20stripping%20force&amp;amp;f=false 25% of punching force], or .25*90T=22.5T&lt;br /&gt;
** The study mentioned *UP TO 25%*, with an average of under 10%, which would come to 9T, which is well within spec. This depends on a few factors:&lt;br /&gt;
***How many times the punch has been used (after 7, the force decreases, as punch smoothens out)&lt;br /&gt;
***Whether or not the punch is lubricated&lt;br /&gt;
***The clearance between punch and die&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Unknowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Necessary compressive force for spring&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Length, solid and stretched&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring constant&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Diameter&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Calculations==&lt;br /&gt;
===Max Compressive force===&lt;br /&gt;
=Force/# of springs &lt;br /&gt;
 - 22.5T/2 = 11.5T, at 1&amp;quot;, or any other application which requires 90T of force.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Spring Specs===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Thoughts&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Since the machine can theoretically do a cut which uses 90T of force in infinitely thin material (the diameter of the hole would need to be really big!) we should use springs which will have close to the 11.5T of force with very little distance moved. Also, this would not need to change too much as the machine progresses towards making 90T punches at the 1&amp;quot; thickness.&lt;br /&gt;
**What this tells me is that we should use a spring with spring constant (k) relatively low with relation to it&#039;s diameter, and compress it to install. This way, we won&#039;t be needing to overcome more force than necessary. &lt;br /&gt;
***IE if we need 11.5T for 1/4&amp;quot; steel, we have two options use the low constant or the high one.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use the low one, precompressed, the force will be relatively close to that, maybe a max of 15T or 20T, if we are punching thru 1&amp;quot; thick.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use a high constant, the force would quadruple over that distance, making it 46tons. If you don&#039;t understand this, take a physics class.&lt;br /&gt;
*Research on how Piranha does it:&lt;br /&gt;
**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6BeFhm3xTk&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Perhaps the easiest solution is to buy a set of piranha urethane strippers, as they are relatively cheap ($76 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6BeFhm3xTk here]). &lt;br /&gt;
**Problem with this is that it requires same length of bit and attachment as piranha, which we don&#039;t have access to... we could guess from videos and get close, but this is not preferable.&lt;br /&gt;
*Another option is to buy the polyurethane die strippers from McMaster. It appears they don&#039;t have anything which offers enough resistance... but perhaps it is something which can be tested.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67171</id>
		<title>Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67171"/>
		<updated>2012-06-26T02:22:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Spring Specs */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Problem Statement:== Specify springs for a Piranha style punch&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Knowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Max punching force: 90T&lt;br /&gt;
*Max stripping force: [http://books.google.com/books?id=4PZxakNhjT0C&amp;amp;pg=PA122&amp;amp;lpg=PA122&amp;amp;dq=punch+stripping+force&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=kU8Bn01b4k&amp;amp;sig=lOgoD1rthuwIuBRKetHNG0JSy3Q&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;ei=6-RkT6m-JMHgsQKvs722Dw&amp;amp;ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=punch%20stripping%20force&amp;amp;f=false 25% of punching force], or .25*90T=22.5T&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Unknowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Necessary compressive force for spring&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Length, solid and stretched&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring constant&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Diameter&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Calculations==&lt;br /&gt;
===Max Compressive force===&lt;br /&gt;
=Force/# of springs &lt;br /&gt;
 - 22.5T/2 = 11.5T, at 1&amp;quot;, or any other application which requires 90T of force.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Spring Specs===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Thoughts&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Since the machine can theoretically do a cut which uses 90T of force in infinitely thin material (the diameter of the hole would need to be really big!) we should use springs which will have close to the 11.5T of force with very little distance moved. Also, this would not need to change too much as the machine progresses towards making 90T punches at the 1&amp;quot; thickness.&lt;br /&gt;
**What this tells me is that we should use a spring with spring constant (k) relatively low with relation to it&#039;s diameter, and compress it to install. This way, we won&#039;t be needing to overcome more force than necessary. &lt;br /&gt;
***IE if we need 11.5T for 1/4&amp;quot; steel, we have two options use the low constant or the high one.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use the low one, precompressed, the force will be relatively close to that, maybe a max of 15T or 20T, if we are punching thru 1&amp;quot; thick.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use a high constant, the force would quadruple over that distance, making it 46tons. If you don&#039;t understand this, take a physics class.&lt;br /&gt;
*Research on how Piranha does it:&lt;br /&gt;
**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6BeFhm3xTk&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Perhaps the easiest solution is to buy a set of piranha urethane strippers, as they are relatively cheap ($76 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6BeFhm3xTk here]). &lt;br /&gt;
**Problem with this is that it requires same length of bit and attachment as piranha, which we don&#039;t have access to... we could guess from videos and get close, but this is not preferable.&lt;br /&gt;
*Another option is to buy the polyurethane die strippers from McMaster. It appears they don&#039;t have anything which offers enough resistance... but perhaps it is something which can be tested.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67170</id>
		<title>Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67170"/>
		<updated>2012-06-26T02:16:55Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Spring Specs */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Problem Statement:== Specify springs for a Piranha style punch&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Knowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Max punching force: 90T&lt;br /&gt;
*Max stripping force: [http://books.google.com/books?id=4PZxakNhjT0C&amp;amp;pg=PA122&amp;amp;lpg=PA122&amp;amp;dq=punch+stripping+force&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=kU8Bn01b4k&amp;amp;sig=lOgoD1rthuwIuBRKetHNG0JSy3Q&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;ei=6-RkT6m-JMHgsQKvs722Dw&amp;amp;ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=punch%20stripping%20force&amp;amp;f=false 25% of punching force], or .25*90T=22.5T&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Unknowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Necessary compressive force for spring&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Length, solid and stretched&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring constant&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Diameter&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Calculations==&lt;br /&gt;
===Max Compressive force===&lt;br /&gt;
=Force/# of springs &lt;br /&gt;
 - 22.5T/2 = 11.5T, at 1&amp;quot;, or any other application which requires 90T of force.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Spring Specs===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Thoughts&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Since the machine can theoretically do a cut which uses 90T of force in infinitely thin material (the diameter of the hole would need to be really big!) we should use springs which will have close to the 11.5T of force with very little distance moved. Also, this would not need to change too much as the machine progresses towards making 90T punches at the 1&amp;quot; thickness.&lt;br /&gt;
**What this tells me is that we should use a spring with spring constant (k) relatively low with relation to it&#039;s diameter, and compress it to install. This way, we won&#039;t be needing to overcome more force than necessary. &lt;br /&gt;
***IE if we need 11.5T for 1/4&amp;quot; steel, we have two options use the low constant or the high one.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use the low one, precompressed, the force will be relatively close to that, maybe a max of 15T or 20T, if we are punching thru 1&amp;quot; thick.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use a high constant, the force would quadruple over that distance, making it 46tons. If you don&#039;t understand this, take a physics class.&lt;br /&gt;
*Research on how Piranha does it:&lt;br /&gt;
**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6BeFhm3xTk&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Perhaps the easiest solution is to buy a set of piranha urethane strippers, as they are relatively cheap ($76 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6BeFhm3xTk here]). &lt;br /&gt;
*Another option is to buy the polyurethane die strippers from McMaster. It appears they don&#039;t have anything which offers enough resistance... but perhaps it is something which can be tested. The study mentioned *UP TO 25&amp;quot;, with an average of under 10%, which would come to 9T, which is well within spec.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67168</id>
		<title>Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ironworker/punch/calculations/springs&amp;diff=67168"/>
		<updated>2012-06-26T01:51:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Created page with &amp;quot;==Problem Statement:== Specify springs for a Piranha style punch &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Knowns:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; *Max punching force: 90T *Max stripping force: [http://books.google.com/books?id=4PZxakNhjT0C&amp;amp;pg=PA...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Problem Statement:== Specify springs for a Piranha style punch&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Knowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Max punching force: 90T&lt;br /&gt;
*Max stripping force: [http://books.google.com/books?id=4PZxakNhjT0C&amp;amp;pg=PA122&amp;amp;lpg=PA122&amp;amp;dq=punch+stripping+force&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=kU8Bn01b4k&amp;amp;sig=lOgoD1rthuwIuBRKetHNG0JSy3Q&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;ei=6-RkT6m-JMHgsQKvs722Dw&amp;amp;ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=punch%20stripping%20force&amp;amp;f=false 25% of punching force], or .25*90T=22.5T&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Unknowns:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Necessary compressive force for spring&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Length, solid and stretched&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring constant&lt;br /&gt;
*Spring Diameter&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Calculations==&lt;br /&gt;
===Max Compressive force===&lt;br /&gt;
=Force/# of springs &lt;br /&gt;
 - 22.5T/2 = 11.5T, at 1&amp;quot;, or any other application which requires 90T of force.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Spring Specs===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Thoughts&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Since the machine can theoretically do a cut which uses 90T of force in infinitely thin material (the diameter of the hole would need to be really big!) we should use springs which will have close to the 11.5T of force with very little distance moved. Also, this would not need to change too much as the machine progresses towards making 90T punches at the 1&amp;quot; thickness.&lt;br /&gt;
**What this tells me is that we should use a spring with spring constant (k) relatively low with relation to it&#039;s diameter, and compress it to install. This way, we won&#039;t be needing to overcome more force than necessary. &lt;br /&gt;
***IE if we need 11.5T for 1/4&amp;quot; steel, we have two options use the low constant or the high one.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use the low one, precompressed, the force will be relatively close to that, maybe a max of 15T or 20T, if we are punching thru 1&amp;quot; thick.&lt;br /&gt;
****If we use a high constant, the force would quadruple over that distance, making it 46tons. If you don&#039;t understand this, take a physics class.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66675</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions/Fabricability Review</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66675"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T22:56:32Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Blade Guard */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Design==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===General===&lt;br /&gt;
* Can you put in threaded rods and proper bolts? I don&#039;t need it for building, as I will be able to consult you if I have questions. However, anyone simply looking at the cad will have no idea of how the thing works. &#039;&#039;&#039;Threads are render-intensive, but changing colour for threaded sections can be done&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there any mechanisms in place to precisely change the speed of the blade? For optimum cutting, the speed needs to be variable so that we can have the proper cutting speed for varied materials. If the speed is too fast, it will destroy the very expensive blade... &#039;&#039;&#039;Flow to the hydraulic motor can be adjusted.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Swivel===&lt;br /&gt;
* Should be a grease nip around rod for swivel which allows lube.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any markers to tell you what angle the blade is at relative to vise? Protractors are a pain in the a** for fabricators. Markings will be more convenient. Stickers are sold online for stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
* The nut on the rod should be a hex nut, not round... You won&#039;t be able to get a round nut tight enough to prevent swiveling. For that matter, milled slots could be adventageous on the base, so you can clamp in multiple spots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Blade Guard===&lt;br /&gt;
*Your design is doable, but requires more welding than necessary, and is wayyy thicker than necessary. Most guards I&#039;ve seen are much thinner, around 16ga or thinner.  An easy solution would be a round guard. It is easily torchable, and if you use thin material, you can bend the material as you&#039;re welding it. &#039;&#039;&#039;Thin circular blade guard is easier, eh- let&#039;s do it the easy way.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Any reason it is so wide relative to blade with? it&#039;s wasting materials. &#039;&#039;&#039;YK: The blade guard must be wide enough to replace the blade without taking off the blade guard. BK: It still has over 1&amp;quot; extra.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Vise===&lt;br /&gt;
I recommend revising clamp jaw and vise design, on the following fronts:&lt;br /&gt;
*Clamp block should be as large as possible while retaining full range of motion; this gives more surface area for the jaws to mount to, increasing likelihood of remaining square over time.&lt;br /&gt;
*Vise blocks should close all the way, or at maximum 1/4&amp;quot; away.&lt;br /&gt;
**May need to make vise blocks from multiple pieces so they can nestle above the center piece of the vise.&lt;br /&gt;
*Jaws should be sliding on the bottom surface if possible--this will also go towards keeping it square. IE there should be a solid surface under them, they should not be floating, relying on the bolts to keep them vertically.&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots on jaws for bolts should be centered-goes towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots should have radiused corners; no endmill is capable of milling a rectangle.&lt;br /&gt;
*Handle seems to be a waste of material. I see 2 options:&lt;br /&gt;
** Machinist style vise handle (look on the mill)&lt;br /&gt;
** Table vise style, with sliding rod.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==2D Fab Drawings==&lt;br /&gt;
*Wherever possible, convert measurements to English units-- FeF Mills are in English units, so the conversion will need to happen either while milling, or on the drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
*Specify tolerances on all drawings&lt;br /&gt;
*Is there a cut list? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Base_to_Vise Base to Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
* Does the bottom side of Fixed Block need to be machined flat? Same with top of base flat. If so, specify in drawing and instructions.&lt;br /&gt;
* Extend baseplate so the swiveling blade mount will always be on plate. &lt;br /&gt;
* Need diagram to show where to weld &amp;quot;long spacers&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Vise Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66674</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions/Fabricability Review</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66674"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T22:50:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Vise */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Design==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===General===&lt;br /&gt;
* Can you put in threaded rods and proper bolts? I don&#039;t need it for building, as I will be able to consult you if I have questions. However, anyone simply looking at the cad will have no idea of how the thing works. &#039;&#039;&#039;Threads are render-intensive, but changing colour for threaded sections can be done&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there any mechanisms in place to precisely change the speed of the blade? For optimum cutting, the speed needs to be variable so that we can have the proper cutting speed for varied materials. If the speed is too fast, it will destroy the very expensive blade... &#039;&#039;&#039;Flow to the hydraulic motor can be adjusted.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Swivel===&lt;br /&gt;
* Should be a grease nip around rod for swivel which allows lube.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any markers to tell you what angle the blade is at relative to vise? Protractors are a pain in the a** for fabricators. Markings will be more convenient. Stickers are sold online for stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
* The nut on the rod should be a hex nut, not round... You won&#039;t be able to get a round nut tight enough to prevent swiveling. For that matter, milled slots could be adventageous on the base, so you can clamp in multiple spots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Blade Guard===&lt;br /&gt;
*Your design is doable, but requires more welding than necessary, and is wayyy thicker than necessary. Most guards I&#039;ve seen are much thinner, around 16ga or thinner.  An easy solution would be a round guard. It is easily torchable, and if you use thin material, you can bend the material as you&#039;re welding it. &#039;&#039;&#039;Thin circular blade guard is easier, eh- let&#039;s do it the easy way.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*Any reason it is so wide relative to blade with? it&#039;s wasting materials. &#039;&#039;&#039;The blade guard must be wide enough to replace the blade without taking off the blade guard.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Vise===&lt;br /&gt;
I recommend revising clamp jaw and vise design, on the following fronts:&lt;br /&gt;
*Clamp block should be as large as possible while retaining full range of motion; this gives more surface area for the jaws to mount to, increasing likelihood of remaining square over time.&lt;br /&gt;
*Vise blocks should close all the way, or at maximum 1/4&amp;quot; away.&lt;br /&gt;
**May need to make vise blocks from multiple pieces so they can nestle above the center piece of the vise.&lt;br /&gt;
*Jaws should be sliding on the bottom surface if possible--this will also go towards keeping it square. IE there should be a solid surface under them, they should not be floating, relying on the bolts to keep them vertically.&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots on jaws for bolts should be centered-goes towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots should have radiused corners; no endmill is capable of milling a rectangle.&lt;br /&gt;
*Handle seems to be a waste of material. I see 2 options:&lt;br /&gt;
** Machinist style vise handle (look on the mill)&lt;br /&gt;
** Table vise style, with sliding rod.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==2D Fab Drawings==&lt;br /&gt;
*Wherever possible, convert measurements to English units-- FeF Mills are in English units, so the conversion will need to happen either while milling, or on the drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
*Specify tolerances on all drawings&lt;br /&gt;
*Is there a cut list? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Base_to_Vise Base to Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
* Does the bottom side of Fixed Block need to be machined flat? Same with top of base flat. If so, specify in drawing and instructions.&lt;br /&gt;
* Extend baseplate so the swiveling blade mount will always be on plate. &lt;br /&gt;
* Need diagram to show where to weld &amp;quot;long spacers&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Vise Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66662</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions/Fabricability Review</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66662"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T19:56:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Blade Guard */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Design==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===General===&lt;br /&gt;
* Can you put in threaded rods and proper bolts? I don&#039;t need it for building, as I will be able to consult you if I have questions. However, anyone simply looking at the cad will have no idea of how the thing works.&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there any mechanisms in place to precisely change the speed of the blade? For optimum cutting, the speed needs to be variable so that we can have the proper cutting speed for varied materials. If the speed is too fast, it will destroy the very expensive blade...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Swivel===&lt;br /&gt;
* Should be a grease nip around rod for swivel which allows lube.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any markers to tell you what angle the blade is at relative to vise? Protractors are a pain in the a** for fabricators. Markings will be more convenient. Stickers are sold online for stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
* The nut on the rod should be a hex nut, not round... You won&#039;t be able to get a round nut tight enough to prevent swiveling. For that matter, milled slots could be adventageous on the base, so you can clamp in multiple spots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Blade Guard===&lt;br /&gt;
*Your design is doable, but requires more welding than necessary, and is wayyy thicker than necessary. Most guards I&#039;ve seen are much thinner, around 16ga or thinner.  An easy solution would be a round guard. It is easily torchable, and if you use thin material, you can bend the material as you&#039;re welding it.&lt;br /&gt;
*Any reason it is so wide relative to blade with? it&#039;s wasting materials.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Vise===&lt;br /&gt;
I recommend revising clamp jaw and vise design, on the following fronts:&lt;br /&gt;
*Clamp block should be as large as possible while retaining full range of motion; this gives more surface area for the jaws to mount to, increasing likelihood of remaining square over time.&lt;br /&gt;
*Vise blocks should close all the way, or at maximum 1/4&amp;quot; away.&lt;br /&gt;
**May need to make vise blocks from multiple pieces so they can nestle above the center piece of the vise.&lt;br /&gt;
*Jaws should be sliding if possible--this will also go towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots on jaws for bolts should be centered-goes towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots should have radiused corners; no endmill is capable of milling a rectangle.&lt;br /&gt;
*Handle seems to be a waste of material. I see 2 options:&lt;br /&gt;
** Machinist style vise handle (look on the mill)&lt;br /&gt;
** Table vise style, with sliding rod.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==2D Fab Drawings==&lt;br /&gt;
*Wherever possible, convert measurements to English units-- FeF Mills are in English units, so the conversion will need to happen either while milling, or on the drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
*Specify tolerances on all drawings&lt;br /&gt;
*Is there a cut list? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Base_to_Vise Base to Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
* Does the bottom side of Fixed Block need to be machined flat? Same with top of base flat. If so, specify in drawing and instructions.&lt;br /&gt;
* Extend baseplate so the swiveling blade mount will always be on plate. &lt;br /&gt;
* Need diagram to show where to weld &amp;quot;long spacers&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Vise Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66661</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions/Fabricability Review</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66661"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T19:55:20Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* General */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Design==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===General===&lt;br /&gt;
* Can you put in threaded rods and proper bolts? I don&#039;t need it for building, as I will be able to consult you if I have questions. However, anyone simply looking at the cad will have no idea of how the thing works.&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there any mechanisms in place to precisely change the speed of the blade? For optimum cutting, the speed needs to be variable so that we can have the proper cutting speed for varied materials. If the speed is too fast, it will destroy the very expensive blade...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Swivel===&lt;br /&gt;
* Should be a grease nip around rod for swivel which allows lube.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any markers to tell you what angle the blade is at relative to vise? Protractors are a pain in the a** for fabricators. Markings will be more convenient. Stickers are sold online for stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
* The nut on the rod should be a hex nut, not round... You won&#039;t be able to get a round nut tight enough to prevent swiveling. For that matter, milled slots could be adventageous on the base, so you can clamp in multiple spots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Blade Guard===&lt;br /&gt;
*Your design is doable, but requires more welding than necessary, and is wayyy thicker than necessary. Most guards I&#039;ve seen are much thinner, around 16ga or thinner.  An easy solution would be a round guard. It is easily torchable, and if you use thin material, you can bend the material as you&#039;re welding it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Vise===&lt;br /&gt;
I recommend revising clamp jaw and vise design, on the following fronts:&lt;br /&gt;
*Clamp block should be as large as possible while retaining full range of motion; this gives more surface area for the jaws to mount to, increasing likelihood of remaining square over time.&lt;br /&gt;
*Vise blocks should close all the way, or at maximum 1/4&amp;quot; away.&lt;br /&gt;
**May need to make vise blocks from multiple pieces so they can nestle above the center piece of the vise.&lt;br /&gt;
*Jaws should be sliding if possible--this will also go towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots on jaws for bolts should be centered-goes towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots should have radiused corners; no endmill is capable of milling a rectangle.&lt;br /&gt;
*Handle seems to be a waste of material. I see 2 options:&lt;br /&gt;
** Machinist style vise handle (look on the mill)&lt;br /&gt;
** Table vise style, with sliding rod.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==2D Fab Drawings==&lt;br /&gt;
*Wherever possible, convert measurements to English units-- FeF Mills are in English units, so the conversion will need to happen either while milling, or on the drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
*Specify tolerances on all drawings&lt;br /&gt;
*Is there a cut list? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Base_to_Vise Base to Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
* Does the bottom side of Fixed Block need to be machined flat? Same with top of base flat. If so, specify in drawing and instructions.&lt;br /&gt;
* Extend baseplate so the swiveling blade mount will always be on plate. &lt;br /&gt;
* Need diagram to show where to weld &amp;quot;long spacers&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Vise Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw&amp;diff=66660</id>
		<title>Cold Saw</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw&amp;diff=66660"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T19:54:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;=Cold Saw Version 1=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In Progress&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Understand=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Understand&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/V1_Design_Rationale&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/V1_Design_Files (to be removed)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Replicate=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Design review=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66659</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions/Fabricability Review</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66659"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T19:50:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* General */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Design==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===General===&lt;br /&gt;
* Can you put in threaded rods and proper bolts? I don&#039;t need it for building, as I will be able to consult you if I have questions. However, anyone simply looking at the cad will have no idea of how the thing works.&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there any mechanisms in place to precisely change the speed of the blade? For optimum cutting, the speed needs to be variable so that we can have the proper cutting speed for varied materials. If the speed is too fast, it will destroy the very expensive blade...&lt;br /&gt;
* Should be a grease nip around rod for swivel which allows lube.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any markers to tell you what angle the blade is at relative to vise? Protractors are a pain in the a** for fabricators. Markings will be more convenient. Stickers are sold online for stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Swivel===&lt;br /&gt;
* Should be a grease nip around rod for swivel which allows lube.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any markers to tell you what angle the blade is at relative to vise? Protractors are a pain in the a** for fabricators. Markings will be more convenient. Stickers are sold online for stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
* The nut on the rod should be a hex nut, not round... You won&#039;t be able to get a round nut tight enough to prevent swiveling. For that matter, milled slots could be adventageous on the base, so you can clamp in multiple spots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Blade Guard===&lt;br /&gt;
*Your design is doable, but requires more welding than necessary, and is wayyy thicker than necessary. Most guards I&#039;ve seen are much thinner, around 16ga or thinner.  An easy solution would be a round guard. It is easily torchable, and if you use thin material, you can bend the material as you&#039;re welding it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Vise===&lt;br /&gt;
I recommend revising clamp jaw and vise design, on the following fronts:&lt;br /&gt;
*Clamp block should be as large as possible while retaining full range of motion; this gives more surface area for the jaws to mount to, increasing likelihood of remaining square over time.&lt;br /&gt;
*Vise blocks should close all the way, or at maximum 1/4&amp;quot; away.&lt;br /&gt;
**May need to make vise blocks from multiple pieces so they can nestle above the center piece of the vise.&lt;br /&gt;
*Jaws should be sliding if possible--this will also go towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots on jaws for bolts should be centered-goes towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots should have radiused corners; no endmill is capable of milling a rectangle.&lt;br /&gt;
*Handle seems to be a waste of material. I see 2 options:&lt;br /&gt;
** Machinist style vise handle (look on the mill)&lt;br /&gt;
** Table vise style, with sliding rod.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==2D Fab Drawings==&lt;br /&gt;
*Wherever possible, convert measurements to English units-- FeF Mills are in English units, so the conversion will need to happen either while milling, or on the drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
*Specify tolerances on all drawings&lt;br /&gt;
*Is there a cut list? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Base_to_Vise Base to Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
* Does the bottom side of Fixed Block need to be machined flat? Same with top of base flat. If so, specify in drawing and instructions.&lt;br /&gt;
* Extend baseplate so the swiveling blade mount will always be on plate. &lt;br /&gt;
* Need diagram to show where to weld &amp;quot;long spacers&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Vise Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66656</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions/Fabricability Review</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66656"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T19:28:49Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* General */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Design==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===General===&lt;br /&gt;
* Can you put in threaded rods and proper bolts? I don&#039;t need it for building, as I will be able to consult you if I have questions. However, anyone simply looking at the cad will have no idea of how the thing works.&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there any mechanisms in place to precisely change the speed of the blade? For optimum cutting, the speed needs to be variable so that we can have the proper cutting speed for varied materials. If the speed is too fast, it will destroy the very expensive blade...&lt;br /&gt;
* Should be a grease nip around rod for swivel which allows lube.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any markers to tell you what angle the blade is at relative to vise? Protractors are a pain in the a** for fabricators. Markings will be more convenient. Stickers are sold online for stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Vise===&lt;br /&gt;
I recommend revising clamp jaw and vise design, on the following fronts:&lt;br /&gt;
*Clamp block should be as large as possible while retaining full range of motion; this gives more surface area for the jaws to mount to, increasing likelihood of remaining square over time.&lt;br /&gt;
*Vise blocks should close all the way, or at maximum 1/4&amp;quot; away.&lt;br /&gt;
**May need to make vise blocks from multiple pieces so they can nestle above the center piece of the vise.&lt;br /&gt;
*Jaws should be sliding if possible--this will also go towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots on jaws for bolts should be centered-goes towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots should have radiused corners; no endmill is capable of milling a rectangle.&lt;br /&gt;
*Handle seems to be a waste of material. I see 2 options:&lt;br /&gt;
** Machinist style vise handle (look on the mill)&lt;br /&gt;
** Table vise style, with sliding rod.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==2D Fab Drawings==&lt;br /&gt;
*Wherever possible, convert measurements to English units-- FeF Mills are in English units, so the conversion will need to happen either while milling, or on the drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
*Specify tolerances on all drawings&lt;br /&gt;
*Is there a cut list? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Base_to_Vise Base to Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
* Does the bottom side of Fixed Block need to be machined flat? Same with top of base flat. If so, specify in drawing and instructions.&lt;br /&gt;
* Extend baseplate so the swiveling blade mount will always be on plate. &lt;br /&gt;
* Need diagram to show where to weld &amp;quot;long spacers&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Vise Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66653</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions/Fabricability Review</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66653"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T19:16:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Design==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===General===&lt;br /&gt;
* Can you put in threaded rods and proper bolts? I don&#039;t need it for building, as I will be able to consult you if I have questions. However, anyone simply looking at the cad will have no idea of how the thing works.&lt;br /&gt;
* Are there any mechanisms in place to change the speed of the blade? For optimum cutting, the speed needs to be variable so that we can have the proper cutting speed for varied materials.&lt;br /&gt;
* Should be a grease nip around rod for swivel which allows lube.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any markers to tell you what angle the blade is at relative to vise? Protractors are a pain in the a** for fabricators. Markings will be more convenient. Stickers are sold online for stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Vise===&lt;br /&gt;
I recommend revising clamp jaw and vise design, on the following fronts:&lt;br /&gt;
*Clamp block should be as large as possible while retaining full range of motion; this gives more surface area for the jaws to mount to, increasing likelihood of remaining square over time.&lt;br /&gt;
*Vise blocks should close all the way, or at maximum 1/4&amp;quot; away.&lt;br /&gt;
**May need to make vise blocks from multiple pieces so they can nestle above the center piece of the vise.&lt;br /&gt;
*Jaws should be sliding if possible--this will also go towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots on jaws for bolts should be centered-goes towards keeping it square&lt;br /&gt;
*Slots should have radiused corners; no endmill is capable of milling a rectangle.&lt;br /&gt;
*Handle seems to be a waste of material. I see 2 options:&lt;br /&gt;
** Machinist style vise handle (look on the mill)&lt;br /&gt;
** Table vise style, with sliding rod.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==2D Fab Drawings==&lt;br /&gt;
*Wherever possible, convert measurements to English units-- FeF Mills are in English units, so the conversion will need to happen either while milling, or on the drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
*Specify tolerances on all drawings&lt;br /&gt;
*Is there a cut list? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Base_to_Vise Base to Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
* Does the bottom side of Fixed Block need to be machined flat? Same with top of base flat. If so, specify in drawing and instructions.&lt;br /&gt;
* Extend baseplate so the swiveling blade mount will always be on plate. &lt;br /&gt;
* Need diagram to show where to weld &amp;quot;long spacers&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Vise Vise]===&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66650</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions/Fabricability Review</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66650"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T18:31:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Design==&lt;br /&gt;
*Should be a grease nip around rod for swivel which allows lube.&lt;br /&gt;
*Any markers to tell you what angle the blade is at relative to vise? Protractors are a pain in the a** for fabricators. Markings will be more convenient. Stickers are sold online for stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==2D Fab Drawings==&lt;br /&gt;
*Wherever possible, convert measurements to English units-- FeF Mills are in English units, so the conversion will need to happen either while milling, or on the drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
*Specify tolerances on all drawings&lt;br /&gt;
*Is there a cut list? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Base_to_Vise Base to Vise===&lt;br /&gt;
* Does the bottom side of Fixed Block need to be machined flat? Same with top of base flat. Specify if it does.&lt;br /&gt;
* Extend baseplate so the swiveling blade mount will always be on plate. &lt;br /&gt;
* Need diagram to show where to weld &amp;quot;long spacers&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions&amp;diff=66645</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions&amp;diff=66645"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T17:49:01Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;=Source Hardware=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Sourcing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Cutting=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Accessories=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Base to Vise=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Base_to_Vise&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Vise=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Vise&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Swivel=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Swivel&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Support=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Support&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Blade Guard=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Blade_Guard&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Drive=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Drive&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Complete Assembly=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Complete_Assembly&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Fabricability review=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66644</id>
		<title>Cold Saw/Build Instructions/Fabricability Review</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Cold_Saw/Build_Instructions/Fabricability_Review&amp;diff=66644"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T17:48:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Created page with &amp;quot;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.  ==Design==&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to review V1 design and 2d fab drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Design==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66637</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66637"/>
		<updated>2012-06-22T15:52:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electro*nics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], followed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; The [[XM Design Rationale]] page states that reduced time and complexity of fabrication process takes priority over modularity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Press Foot- P3 vs. &amp;quot;piston&amp;quot; type==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/22:&#039;&#039;&#039; Both James Slade and Dan Schellenberg have decided to use a &amp;quot;piston&amp;quot; type of press foot, which mounts on a clevis type cylinder.  I&#039;ve heard replicators from both sides say that theirs is superior for pressing bricks and the wear on the cylinder; however I have seen no proof either way. So, from my perspective, here are a list of proven benefits of using this design over the P3 version:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Enables use of clevis ($258-$362) cylinder vs. the more pricey cross tube ($520).&lt;br /&gt;
*The cylinder can be recycled with this version; in P3, after the press foot is welded to the cylinder, you can&#039;t use it for anything else.&lt;br /&gt;
*Welding on the cylinder risks melting the seal at it&#039;s entrance, which would cause leaking. Also, the welding is very tricky, as you can&#039;t warp the plate you are welding. and with that much welding, boy, is that tough!&lt;br /&gt;
*A normal cylinder is serviceable by machine shops; after one has been welded on, many shops will refuse to service because of liability.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Disadvantages:&lt;br /&gt;
*More parts to fab&lt;br /&gt;
*supposedly longer fabrication time (according to marcin)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution BK 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039;: After more investigation, I realized Dan&#039;s hopper was made from the original hopper design. Marcin said this design had too shallow of a slope, and that soil tended to sit on top rather than roll into the hopper. So, it became necessary to re-design shape from dan&#039;s.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039;This afternoon, James Slade and I discussed issues with the hopper, and came up with the following: &lt;br /&gt;
*Hopper interface plate lip causes soil to load up at those spots this is a real issue, as user must climb on machine to clean out clay with a stick.&lt;br /&gt;
*Walls should be as close to vertical as possible, as clay tends to stick to sides if they are too horizontal.&lt;br /&gt;
*The grate was not as steep as James would have liked it to be.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some possible solutions we came up with are:&lt;br /&gt;
*The grate to be mounted on a hinge, which can slide up and down on the hopper mounts. This would allow user to easily change steepness of the grate as necessary to fit their soil type.&lt;br /&gt;
*We can make a hole in the bottom of the hopper, and keep it capped, either with threads or some sort of plug. This would be for when &amp;quot;bridging&amp;quot; happens, so the user doesn&#039;t need to climb up the machine.&lt;br /&gt;
*The lip should be eliminated as much as possible. If the hopper can be fitted directly to the input hole on the frame, this is best. &lt;br /&gt;
*Welding plates between the hopper and the frame is an option, so that the soil will flow better between the two.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039; Some issues I&#039;ve run into with designing, is that it is virtually impossible to design so that the side pieces don&#039;t need to twist a bit to match on both sides. To have the least twisting possible, either the top side, or the bottom must be out of square.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x2&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*The steel for these connections would cost roughly 5.82, assuming 2 pcs of 1/8&amp;quot;x2&amp;quot; flatbar for length. Piano Hinges are listed as 9.98 at Lowes. &lt;br /&gt;
*Since the hinges are only marginally more expensive, wouldn&#039;t need to be welded, and already have holes drilled in them, this is the more cost effective choice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution: BK 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039; Spoke with Marcin, and he informed me that since this is not a &amp;quot;wheel&amp;quot; motor, having the eccentric attached directly to the motor will ruin the bearings inside. I need to investigate the cost difference in the motors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Electronics=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Controller Board==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[CEB_Press/Manufacturing_Instructions/Detroit_Fab_Lab_Solenoid_Driver_v4|Detroit_Fab_Lab_Solenoid_Driver_v4]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-21T04:37:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Shaker */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electronics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], followed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; The [[XM Design Rationale]] page states that reduced time and complexity of fabrication process takes priority over modularity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution BK 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039;: After more investigation, I realized Dan&#039;s hopper was made from the original hopper design. Marcin said this design had too shallow of a slope, and that soil tended to sit on top rather than roll into the hopper. So, it became necessary to re-design shape from dan&#039;s.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039;This afternoon, James Slade and I discussed issues with the hopper, and came up with the following: &lt;br /&gt;
*Hopper interface plate lip causes soil to load up at those spots this is a real issue, as user must climb on machine to clean out clay with a stick.&lt;br /&gt;
*Walls should be as close to vertical as possible, as clay tends to stick to sides if they are too horizontal.&lt;br /&gt;
*The grate was not as steep as James would have liked it to be.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some possible solutions we came up with are:&lt;br /&gt;
*The grate to be mounted on a hinge, which can slide up and down on the hopper mounts. This would allow user to easily change steepness of the grate as necessary to fit their soil type.&lt;br /&gt;
*We can make a hole in the bottom of the hopper, and keep it capped, either with threads or some sort of plug. This would be for when &amp;quot;bridging&amp;quot; happens, so the user doesn&#039;t need to climb up the machine.&lt;br /&gt;
*The lip should be eliminated as much as possible. If the hopper can be fitted directly to the input hole on the frame, this is best. &lt;br /&gt;
*Welding plates between the hopper and the frame is an option, so that the soil will flow better between the two.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039; Some issues I&#039;ve run into with designing, is that it is virtually impossible to design so that the side pieces don&#039;t need to twist a bit to match on both sides. To have the least twisting possible, either the top side, or the bottom must be out of square.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x2&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*The steel for these connections would cost roughly 5.82, assuming 2 pcs of 1/8&amp;quot;x2&amp;quot; flatbar for length. Piano Hinges are listed as 9.98 at Lowes. &lt;br /&gt;
*Since the hinges are only marginally more expensive, wouldn&#039;t need to be welded, and already have holes drilled in them, this is the more cost effective choice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution: BK 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039; Spoke with Marcin, and he informed me that since this is not a &amp;quot;wheel&amp;quot; motor, having the eccentric attached directly to the motor will ruin the bearings inside. I need to investigate the cost difference in the motors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Electronics=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Controller Board==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[CEB_Press/Manufacturing_Instructions/Detroit_Fab_Lab_Solenoid_Driver_v4|Detroit_Fab_Lab_Solenoid_Driver_v4]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-21T04:32:32Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Shape */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electronics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], followed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; The [[XM Design Rationale]] page states that reduced time and complexity of fabrication process takes priority over modularity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution BK 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039;: After more investigation, I realized Dan&#039;s hopper was made from the original hopper design. Marcin said this design had too shallow of a slope, and that soil tended to sit on top rather than roll into the hopper. So, it became necessary to re-design shape from dan&#039;s.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039;This afternoon, James Slade and I discussed issues with the hopper, and came up with the following: &lt;br /&gt;
*Hopper interface plate lip causes soil to load up at those spots this is a real issue, as user must climb on machine to clean out clay with a stick.&lt;br /&gt;
*Walls should be as close to vertical as possible, as clay tends to stick to sides if they are too horizontal.&lt;br /&gt;
*The grate was not as steep as James would have liked it to be.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some possible solutions we came up with are:&lt;br /&gt;
*The grate to be mounted on a hinge, which can slide up and down on the hopper mounts. This would allow user to easily change steepness of the grate as necessary to fit their soil type.&lt;br /&gt;
*We can make a hole in the bottom of the hopper, and keep it capped, either with threads or some sort of plug. This would be for when &amp;quot;bridging&amp;quot; happens, so the user doesn&#039;t need to climb up the machine.&lt;br /&gt;
*The lip should be eliminated as much as possible. If the hopper can be fitted directly to the input hole on the frame, this is best. &lt;br /&gt;
*Welding plates between the hopper and the frame is an option, so that the soil will flow better between the two.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039; Some issues I&#039;ve run into with designing, is that it is virtually impossible to design so that the side pieces don&#039;t need to twist a bit to match on both sides. To have the least twisting possible, either the top side, or the bottom must be out of square.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x2&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*The steel for these connections would cost roughly 5.82, assuming 2 pcs of 1/8&amp;quot;x2&amp;quot; flatbar for length. Piano Hinges are listed as 9.98 at Lowes. &lt;br /&gt;
*Since the hinges are only marginally more expensive, wouldn&#039;t need to be welded, and already have holes drilled in them, this is the more cost effective choice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Electronics=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Controller Board==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[CEB_Press/Manufacturing_Instructions/Detroit_Fab_Lab_Solenoid_Driver_v4|Detroit_Fab_Lab_Solenoid_Driver_v4]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66486"/>
		<updated>2012-06-21T04:07:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Shape */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electronics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], followed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; The [[XM Design Rationale]] page states that reduced time and complexity of fabrication process takes priority over modularity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution BK 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ 6/19&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039;: After more investigation, I realized Dan&#039;s hopper was made from the original hopper design. Marcin said this design had too shallow of a slope, and that soil tended to sit on top rather than roll into the hopper. So, it became necessary to re-design shape from dan&#039;s.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK 6/20&#039;&#039;&#039;This afternoon, James Slade and I discussed issues with the hopper, and came up with the following: &lt;br /&gt;
*Hopper interface plate lip causes soil to load up at those spots this is a real issue, as user must climb on machine to clean out clay with a stick.&lt;br /&gt;
*Walls should be as close to vertical as possible, as clay tends to stick to sides if they are too horizontal.&lt;br /&gt;
*The grate was not as steep as James would have liked it to be.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some possible solutions we came up with are:&lt;br /&gt;
*The grate to be mounted on a hinge, which can slide up and down on the hopper mounts. This would allow user to easily change steepness of the grate as necessary to fit their soil type.&lt;br /&gt;
*We can make a hole in the bottom of the hopper, and keep it capped, either with threads or some sort of plug. This would be for when &amp;quot;bridging&amp;quot; happens, so the user doesn&#039;t need to climb up the machine.&lt;br /&gt;
*The lip should be eliminated as much as possible. If the hopper can be fitted directly to the input hole on the frame, this is best. &lt;br /&gt;
*Welding plates between the hopper and the frame is an option, so that the soil will flow better between the two.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x2&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*The steel for these connections would cost roughly 5.82, assuming 2 pcs of 1/8&amp;quot;x2&amp;quot; flatbar for length. Piano Hinges are listed as 9.98 at Lowes. &lt;br /&gt;
*Since the hinges are only marginally more expensive, wouldn&#039;t need to be welded, and already have holes drilled in them, this is the more cost effective choice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Electronics=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Controller Board==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[CEB_Press/Manufacturing_Instructions/Detroit_Fab_Lab_Solenoid_Driver_v4|Detroit_Fab_Lab_Solenoid_Driver_v4]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66465</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66465"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T23:27:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Introduction */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electronics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], fderollowed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; The [[XM Design Rationale]] page states that reduced time and complexity of fabrication process takes priority over modularity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK&#039;&#039;&#039;: After more investigation, I realized Dan&#039;s hopper was made from the old hopper design, which didn&#039;t use  so we won&#039;t be able to copy it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x2&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*The steel for these connections would cost roughly 5.82, assuming 2 pcs of 1/8&amp;quot;x2&amp;quot; flatbar for length. Piano Hinges are listed as 9.98 at Lowes. &lt;br /&gt;
*Since the hinges are only marginally more expensive, wouldn&#039;t need to be welded, and already have holes drilled in them, this is the more cost effective choice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66405</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66405"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T17:34:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Shape */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electronics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], fderollowed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; The [XM Design Rationale] page states that reduced time and complexity of fabrication process takes priority over modularity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK&#039;&#039;&#039;: After more investigation, I realized Dan&#039;s hopper was made from the old hopper design, which didn&#039;t use  so we won&#039;t be able to copy it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x2&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*The steel for these connections would cost roughly 5.82, assuming 2 pcs of 1/8&amp;quot;x2&amp;quot; flatbar for length. Piano Hinges are listed as 9.98 at Lowes. &lt;br /&gt;
*Since the hinges are only marginally more expensive, wouldn&#039;t need to be welded, and already have holes drilled in them, this is the more cost effective choice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66404</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66404"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T17:24:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Shape */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electronics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], fderollowed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; The [XM Design Rationale] page states that reduced time and complexity of fabrication process takes priority over modularity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK&#039;&#039;&#039;: After more investigation, I realized Dan&#039;s hopper was made from the old hopper design, so we won&#039;t be able to copy it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x2&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*The steel for these connections would cost roughly 5.82, assuming 2 pcs of 1/8&amp;quot;x2&amp;quot; flatbar for length. Piano Hinges are listed as 9.98 at Lowes. &lt;br /&gt;
*Since the hinges are only marginally more expensive, wouldn&#039;t need to be welded, and already have holes drilled in them, this is the more cost effective choice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66403</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66403"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T17:10:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Assembly Mechanisms */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electronics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], fderollowed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; The [XM Design Rationale] page states that reduced time and complexity of fabrication process takes priority over modularity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x2&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*The steel for these connections would cost roughly 5.82, assuming 2 pcs of 1/8&amp;quot;x2&amp;quot; flatbar for length. Piano Hinges are listed as 9.98 at Lowes. &lt;br /&gt;
*Since the hinges are only marginally more expensive, wouldn&#039;t need to be welded, and already have holes drilled in them, this is the more cost effective choice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66402</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66402"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T16:45:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Introduction */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electronics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], fderollowed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; The [XM Design Rationale] page states that reduced time and complexity of fabrication process takes priority over modularity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x4&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66401</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66401"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T16:34:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Introduction */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is designed to be collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing via disassembly - with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together like IKEA furniture. Since bolting is quicker than welding - under the assumption that a CNC torch table produces accurate pieces - bolts are favored over welding wherever possible. This is different than standard custom fabrication practice, but it is intended to produce superior results in terms of lifetime design and ease of fabrication. We are exploring the feasibility of production straight from a CNC plasma torch table + welding to a finished, replicable product that can be sold directly as a kit without the producer needing to assemble the machine at all. To achieve this, we are aiming for strict quality control to allow all components to fit together with 99.9% success rate for each machine - such that only 1 of 1000 components of the ~100 components per machine needs to be recut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the electronics, we are streamlining controller production to approximately 3 hours per machine starting from raw circuit boards, followed by milling on a [[CNC Circuit Mill]], fderollowed by populating with components and assembling a controller box with sensors, in a time under 6 hours per controller. This time should be reduced to under 5 hours per controller with ready-made controller boards.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required. &#039;&#039;&#039;For Example:&#039;&#039;&#039; In mounting the hopper, P3 had bolt on supports on the back of the hopper. This was time consuming because the bolt needs to go close to the bottom, and you are bolting to a large piece. If the supports are welded, you can simply put the hopper onto the frame without any extra work.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x4&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB/Status_Brief&amp;diff=66400</id>
		<title>CEB/Status Brief</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB/Status_Brief&amp;diff=66400"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T16:30:23Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Last Updated 6/20/2012, 11:14am&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Progress==&lt;br /&gt;
*Design decisions for Prototype 4 have begun. See [CEB 4 Design Planning].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Current Challenge==&lt;br /&gt;
*Integrate the best design changes of replicators, and forsee any advantageous changes. Contributors can help by commenting on [CEB 4 Design Planning]&lt;br /&gt;
*Develop an accurate CAD model from design changes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Immediate Needs==&lt;br /&gt;
*Continue investigating design changes by consulting recent builders: James Slade and Dan Schellenberg&lt;br /&gt;
*Begin Sketch-up and CAD of next version&lt;br /&gt;
*Illustrate [CEB 4 Design Planning] page, to facilitate collaboration&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Short-term Needs==&lt;br /&gt;
*Finish design and seek review&lt;br /&gt;
*Get build photos from Dan Schellenberg&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB/Status_Brief&amp;diff=66397</id>
		<title>CEB/Status Brief</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB/Status_Brief&amp;diff=66397"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T16:25:53Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Last Updated 6/20/2012, 11:14am&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Progress==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Design decisions for Prototype 4 have begun. See [CEB 4 Design Planning].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Immediate Needs==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Continue investigating design changes by consulting recent builders: James Slade and Dan Schellenberg&lt;br /&gt;
*Begin Sketch-up and CAD of next version&lt;br /&gt;
*Illustrate [CEB 4 Design Planning] page, to facilitate collaboration&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Short-term Needs==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Finish design and seek review&lt;br /&gt;
*Get build photos from Dan Schellenberg&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66396</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66396"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T16:21:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt; &#039;&#039;&#039;Abstract:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is the design rationale for the 4th prototype of the CEB Press built at Factor e Farm. The design requirements are: (1) Design-for-Disassembly; (2) Lifetime design; (3), modularity; (4), integration with the rest of the GVCS; (5) Design-for-fabrication; and (6), [[OSE Specifications]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
General design is intended to be one where we assume the availability of a CNC Torch table for rapid fabrication. The machine is intended to be producible as a kit. It is collapsable into a 3x3x6 foot crate for ease of shipping. Welding is minimized to allow quick fixing with modular, easy-to-source parts. The intent of bolt-together structure is to facilitate fabrication. We are determining whether the fabrication time can be brought down from about 50 hours per machine, excluding electronics, to approximately 25 hour per machine. To achieve this, we aim to cut most parts on a torch table, followed by bolting together, so that a user can receive a kit and put it together &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;BK:&#039;&#039;&#039; Bolt-together doesn&#039;t necessarily facilitate fabrication. I would argue bolting often takes far more time than welding. You have to make a minimum of 2 holes, often in difficult to access locations, line them up, and then insert a bolt. Welding will often take less time and will make it easier in Kit form, as less asssembly will be required.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: For materials use efficiency, P3 requires one 5&#039;x10&#039; sheet of 1/8&amp;quot; steel. If this requirement is still met, then we should continue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning was &#039;&#039;&#039;to make hopper removable according to design for disassembly&#039;&#039;&#039;. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ&#039;&#039;&#039;: Interface plate is for purposes of design-for-disassembly, an essential component for lifetime design. Also, that allows entire CEB to be packaged in a 3x3x6&#039; crate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x4&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Design for disassembly should be maintained.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;MJ:&#039;&#039;&#039; Practical considerations of carrying with forks and bumping with tractor when loading make 4x6 channel desiarable, and I would make it &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:CEB IV]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB/Status_Brief&amp;diff=66394</id>
		<title>CEB/Status Brief</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB/Status_Brief&amp;diff=66394"/>
		<updated>2012-06-20T16:14:50Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Created page with &amp;quot;Last Updated 6/20/2012, 11:14am  =Progress=  *Design decisions for Prototype 4 have begun. See [CEB 4 Design Planning]   =Immediate Steps=  *Continue investigating design changes...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Last Updated 6/20/2012, 11:14am&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Progress=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Design decisions for Prototype 4 have begun. See [CEB 4 Design Planning]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Immediate Steps=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Continue investigating design changes by consulting recent builders: James Slade and Dan Schellenberg&lt;br /&gt;
*Begin Sketch-up and CAD of next version&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=Short-term Steps=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Finish design and seek review&lt;br /&gt;
*Get build photos from Dan Schellenberg&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66233</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66233"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T18:28:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Shaker */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning behind it was to set a gap between hopper and frame, so the hopper could shake more easily. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that the gap was not giving any extra shake, and that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x4&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The motor attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66225</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66225"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T18:01:59Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning behind it was to set a gap between hopper and frame, so the hopper could shake more easily. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that the gap was not giving any extra shake, and that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x4&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The shaker attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Arms==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose to change the arms from 4x6 angle to 4x4 angle. There is really not much weight on any of the legs, and the 4x6 is overkill. I have not done math to prove it, but even if the entire weight of CEB were on it, its only 2000 lbs. The only downside I can see is that the sensor holders will need to be made longer to read the sensors.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66221</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66221"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T17:23:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Shaker */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning behind it was to set a gap between hopper and frame, so the hopper could shake more easily. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that the gap was not giving any extra shake, and that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x4&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The old shaker took a lot of time and materials to make.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB used an entirely different shaker process. The shaker attached directly to a circular plate, with a hole drilled off center. It attached via some special adapter for lawn mowers. Photos to come. The circular plate was enclosed between a sandwich of 3 plates, which sheilds the user from any shrapnel. This considerably lowers part count and labor. The only possible disadvantages are that it may not provide as much shaking as the previous model. However, it seemed to shake plenty when I watched it.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66220</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66220"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T17:12:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Hopper Changes */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning behind it was to set a gap between hopper and frame, so the hopper could shake more easily. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that the gap was not giving any extra shake, and that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x4&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Grate Mounting===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; In p3, the grate mounted by bolting the grate to the hopper supports and the grate mounts. It was very difficult to install, as it required a person to hold it up, while another person installed bolts. Also, removing the grate is difficult if you need to remove rocks or something from the top of it, as you would need to remove it entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution:&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s machine used hinges welded to the top of the grate which were also welded to the back piece of the hopper. Initial installation would still be a little tricky, but not as hard as getting the bolts in. This then allows &lt;br /&gt;
the user to tilt up the grate if necessary. It also eliminates the need to mount it from 2 sides, as the hinge supports it, and it sits on top of the hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Shaker==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66219</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66219"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T17:05:13Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Assembly Mechanisms */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning behind it was to set a gap between hopper and frame, so the hopper could shake more easily. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that the gap was not giving any extra shake, and that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates, which attached to the hopper to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x4&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly enough, no soil should leak out, and it won&#039;t take as long as welding the whole thing.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66218</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66218"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T17:00:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Hopper Changes */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning behind it was to set a gap between hopper and frame, so the hopper could shake more easily. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that the gap was not giving any extra shake, and that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Assembly Mechanisms===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement:&#039;&#039;&#039; The previous assembly was time consuming and allowed soil to leak from sides.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story:&#039;&#039;&#039; It was originally built with a few door hinges welded to plates to allow the whole thing to shake more easily, and to be easily disassemblable. Assembly and testing showed that it was very difficult to get the plates close enough to not allow soil to leak out. The seams were duct taped to prevent this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039; Dan&#039;s CEB showed that even with the entire hopper welded together, the hopper still shook readily. This proves hinge/shaking theory invalid, allowing us to find easier ways of assembling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My proposal is for the attachment of side to back, we weld some 2x4&amp;quot; angle, 1/8&amp;quot; thick if available, or 1/4&amp;quot; if not, to the back piece. There will be holes in this which bolt to the side pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the joint between the front and side pieces is not a right angle, angle will not work. For people who have a press brake available, Simply bending a piece of 1/8&amp;quot; plate and welding to the front, bolting to sides, would work. Since OSE doesn&#039;t have one, other possibilties are using piano hinges, or welding 2 pieces of 1/8&amp;quot; together. If we stitch weld them tightly, no soil should leak out.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66217</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66217"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T16:22:24Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Hopper Interface Plate */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning behind it was to set a gap between hopper and frame, so the hopper could shake more easily. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that the gap was not giving any extra shake, and that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66213</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66213"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T16:20:20Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Mounting, on sides */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer easily disassemble tubing from hopper. Arguably, there is no reason you would need to disassemble them anyways. It can be stitch welded, since there&#039;s not a lot of force needed to support hopper. This would make disassembly by cut-off wheel feasable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning behind it was to set a gap between hopper and frame, so the hopper could shake more easily. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that the gap was not giving any extra shake, and that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot; or 1/2&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66207</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66207"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T16:18:30Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: /* Hopper Changes */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer disassemble tubing from hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hopper Interface Plate===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The Hopper interface plate of P3 is arguably obsolete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Back Story&#039;&#039;&#039;: The initial reasoning behind it was to set a gap between hopper and frame, so the hopper could shake more easily. There were nuts welded to the top of the frame to make that gap. In testing, OSE realized that the gap was not giving any extra shake, and that it let soil leak out thru the sides. So, for the prototype release, the nuts were removed from between the plate and the frame, and the plate simply bolted to the frame, with nuts welded underneath the C-channel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: The reason the plate was necessary initially was for shaking, and preventing soil from leaking out around the bottom. Since the shaking is ruled out, the only purpose is preventing leaking. This can be acheived by welding thinner plate (probably 1/4&amp;quot; or 1/2&amp;quot;) directly to the frame U channel. This lowers part count, and at least an hour of labor in drilling and torching holes. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66206</id>
		<title>CEB 4 design planning</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=CEB_4_design_planning&amp;diff=66206"/>
		<updated>2012-06-19T15:45:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Created page with &amp;quot;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.  ==Hopper Cha...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;This is a page to display the rationale and get more opinions on CEB 4 design features. Listed below are discussions on which design changes should be made and why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hopper Changes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Shape===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: In Prototype 3 (P3 for short), the hopper had gaps at the top, and the seams didn&#039;t go together well; the 4 sides ended at different heights, making it difficult to mount the grate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Solution&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan Schellenberg&#039;s CEB used the same general shape of OSE&#039;s prototype, but cut off some of the top section, and a portion of the sides.  [http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=242db108c35b8694367c66ca14350bfd Link] to hopper model.  This saves material and simplifies mounting the grate. No disadvantages are seen.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mounting, on sides===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Problem Statement&#039;&#039;&#039;: The grate supports were time-consuming to mount, and used a lot of material. Also, bolting to the hopper is time consuming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In P3, we mounted using 4x4 angle supports which bolted to the primary legs and hopper, and 2x2 tubing which bolted to the hopper and into leg-holders on the frame.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Discussion&#039;&#039;&#039;: Dan&#039;s machine welded the tubing to the CEB instead of bolting. This uses less material and takes less time. Dis-advantage is that you can no longer disassemble tubing from hopper.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For the angle supports, He replaced them with more tubing with a bent 1/2&amp;quot; plate welded to it. These attached to the frame via leg-holders. There was 2x2 angle welded to the front of the hopper, and the hopper sat on top of the bent plate. Advantage is easier assembly, cleaner appearance. Disadvantages- can only support force coming downwards, not upwards. We could bolt them together to solve this.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Bridgeport_Mill&amp;diff=62012</id>
		<title>Bridgeport Mill</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Bridgeport_Mill&amp;diff=62012"/>
		<updated>2012-05-14T22:57:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Created page with &amp;quot;[http://www.bbssystem.com/manuals/bridgeport-manual.pdf Manual]&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;[http://www.bbssystem.com/manuals/bridgeport-manual.pdf Manual]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=FeF_welders&amp;diff=61310</id>
		<title>FeF welders</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=FeF_welders&amp;diff=61310"/>
		<updated>2012-05-07T16:48:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bkufa: Created page with &amp;quot;We currently have 2 Millermatic 200 welders. [http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o1303p_mil.pdf Here] is their manual.  The solenoid valves for the gas are broken in both machines. On...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;We currently have 2 Millermatic 200 welders. [http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o1303p_mil.pdf Here] is their manual.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The solenoid valves for the gas are broken in both machines. On the part, it says it is part # 116 996. However, after calling the local airgas, we found out the new PN is 218421.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bkufa</name></author>
	</entry>
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