Battery chemistry comparison - Revision history

AbeAnderson at 01:21, 25 September 2016

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	* Super iron battery no cycle life low		* Super iron battery no cycle life low
	* Zinc matrix battery no in dev		* Zinc matrix battery no in dev

			Even the following list is incomplete.

			https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_types


			Salt Water

			Salt water batteries are gaining popularity (2016) for their chemical simplicity, stability, ease of manufacture, and recycling.
			Volumetric efficiency does not compare well to other chemistries for high discharge needs, but a small battery closet is sufficient for most cases and they have lower DoD (Depth of Dishcarge) than most other batteries while still maintaining a good cycle life.
			One of the more popular chemistries is listed below, but other chemistries using aluminum etc. have been experimented with.

			Anode: activated carbon composites
			Cathode: Manganese Oxide spinel
			Separator layers: unwoven cellulose (cotton)
			Eloctrolyte: aqueous Sodium Sulfate

			Perhaps it well be easy to 3D print cases, easily CNC machine parts, and mine the common minerals for such batteries in the near future.

			https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_water_battery

Marcin: /* See also */

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Kardan: +Category:Battery

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	~~==Overview==~~		{{stub}}
	~~''see also [[Batteries]] and [[Battery chemistry]]~~

	~~==Research==~~

	The other battery chemistries deserve a fair shake as well. There may be even more (developed) battery chemistries than this and I may add more in the future.		The other battery chemistries deserve a fair shake as well. There may be even more (developed) battery chemistries than this and I may add more in the future.
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	U.S. Pat. No. 4,485,154 polysulfide bromine		U.S. Pat. No. 4,485,154 polysulfide bromine

			== See also ==
			* [http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5888666.html more on li ion]

	~~more on li ion~~		[[Category:Battery]]
	~~http~~:~~//www.freepatentsonline.com/5888666.html~~

	~~look through the battery handbook for more chemistires too there are more there S~~

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Chris F at 14:09, 20 September 2011

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			==Overview==
			'''see also [[Batteries]]'''

			==Research==

	The other battery chemistries deserve a fair shake as well. There may be even more (developed) battery chemistries than this and I may add more in the future.		The other battery chemistries deserve a fair shake as well. There may be even more (developed) battery chemistries than this and I may add more in the future.

Syk0 saje at 13:08, 25 May 2011

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	~~lok~~ through the battery handbook for ~~mor echemistires~~ too there are more there S		look through the battery handbook for more chemistires too there are more there S

Syk0 saje at 13:07, 25 May 2011

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	The other battery chemistries deserve a fair shake as well. There may be even more (developed) battery chemistries than this and I may add more in the future.		The other battery chemistries deserve a fair shake as well. There may be even more (developed) battery chemistries than this and I may add more in the future.

Gregortheinventor at 17:20, 24 May 2011

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	http://electricitystorage.org/tech/technologies_technologies_znbr.htm		http://electricitystorage.org/tech/technologies_technologies_znbr.htm

	ZnBr type of flow battery the zinc plates out so ~~litte~~ advantage as a flow battery, still limited by electrode size, eff only 75% , electrolyte the same ~~bothe~~ sides so contamination, says can provide at lower cost than van redox and others , check handbook of batteries for info might be cheaper on a kwh basis though needs to be verified		ZnBr type of flow battery the zinc plates out so little advantage as a flow battery, still limited by electrode size, eff only 75% , electrolyte the same both sides so contamination not a problem, says can provide at lower cost than van redox and others , check handbook of batteries for info might be cheaper on a kwh basis though needs to be verified

	bromine doesn't sound too bad ~~tocicity~~ wise ~~likechlorine~~, lithium bromide was a problem though ~~remmeber~~ with air conditioning systems		bromine doesn't sound too bad toxicity wise like chlorine, lithium bromide was a problem though remember with air conditioning systems.


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	Doesn't look like the microporous or ion exchange membrane shoudl be too hard to make, many ways to make them, grafted polyehtylene maybe? maybe not that was for iron-iron, the ion exchagne membrane nafion is IIRC the same stuff as ion exchagne beads and shoudl be makeable		Doesn't look like the microporous or ion exchange membrane shoudl be too hard to make, many ways to make them, grafted polyehtylene maybe? maybe not that was for iron-iron, the ion exchagne membrane nafion is IIRC the same stuff as ion exchagne beads and shoudl be makeable

	looks good and reasonably simple, with a ~~bettery ionic~~ membrane(probably available) ~~woudl~~ be more efficient, could ~~aslo~~ use separate electrolyte storage tanks for the cells woudl simplify design too. could b easier to make since there is no pasting in or nickel plating, all plastic components inthe battery except the electrodes. Essentially eliminate the pumps etc. and just make it abattery, depend on convection maybe for electrolyte flow as the 15% of energy not converted to electricity woudl be converted mostly to heat apparently (little gassing, althoguh gassing would coause convection too). CoMaybe they could be made of activated carbon or graphit ~~poweder~~ rammed into a perforated plastic ~~tube~~ under sufficient force,also there mgith need to be some chemical treatment of the surface to introduce appropriate functional groups as some sort of catalyst apparently. Also maybe the electrodes and separator could be reused for other battery chemistry types like iron-iron down the lines?		looks good and reasonably simple, with a better membrane(ionic probably available) would be more efficient, could also use separate electrolyte storage tanks for the cells woudl simplify design too. could b easier to make since there is no pasting in or nickel plating, all plastic components inthe battery except the electrodes. Essentially eliminate the pumps etc. and just make it abattery, depend on convection maybe for electrolyte flow as the 15% of energy not converted to electricity woudl be converted mostly to heat apparently (little gassing, althoguh gassing would coause convection too). CoMaybe they could be made of activated carbon or graphit powder or flake rammed into a perforated plastic tubes under sufficient force,also there mgith need to be some chemical treatment of the surface to introduce appropriate functional groups as some sort of catalyst apparently. Also maybe the electrodes and separator could be reused for other battery chemistry types like iron-iron down the lines?

	Extremely available and low cost components. Looks like an old technology ou of patent http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3811945.html (1974)		Extremely available and low cost components. Looks like an old technology ou of patent http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3811945.html (1974)

Gregortheinventor at 17:14, 24 May 2011

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	In summary, it looks like zinc bromide might be a very attractive option, quite possibly superior to nickel iron for OSE purposes. But more research is needed to ensure there are no snags. Also a question mark remains as to why it is not already used as a secondary battery in e.g. backup power systems etc. very much.		In summary, it looks like zinc bromide might be a very attractive option, quite possibly superior to nickel iron for OSE purposes. But more research is needed to ensure there are no snags. Also a question mark remains as to why it is not already used as a secondary battery in e.g. backup power systems etc. very much.

	Lithium titanate and lithium iron phosphate might also be an option if it is not still patented, but lithium has supply issues that conflict with OSE goals so I did not look further into pricing of the materials. These 3 and nickel iron currently appear to be the most practical options and it seems unlikely that further research will change that.		Lithium titanate and lithium iron phosphate might also be an option if it is not still patented, but lithium has supply issues that conflict with OSE goals so I did not look further into pricing of the materials. These 3 and nickel iron currently appear to be the most practical options and it seems unlikely that further research will change that.

			Sorry everything is a complete mess, I may clean it up later if I have time.

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