EV vs Hydrogen - Revision history

Marcin: /* Popular View Against Hydrogen */

2021-02-06T18:35:27Z

Popular View Against Hydrogen

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	*Hydrogen is overall 40% efficient.		*Hydrogen is overall 40% efficient.
	*Facts: these figures look convincing against hydrogen on paper, but facts are most EVs are likely to be fossil fueled in terms of initial electricity generation, 37% efficient for coal plants [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=hwo+efficient+is+a+coal+plant&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5], bringing the 80% down to under 30% efficient.		*Facts: these figures look convincing against hydrogen on paper, but facts are most EVs are likely to be fossil fueled in terms of initial electricity generation, 37% efficient for coal plants [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=hwo+efficient+is+a+coal+plant&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5], bringing the 80% down to under 30% efficient.
			*Assessment of article [https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/07/04/why-hydrogen-will-never-be-the-future-of-electric-cars/?sh=f9aa4612fadd]: faulty logic. Argument states : "because there is more electric vehicles now on the road than hydrogen, that clearly means that electric vehicles are superior".

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Marcin: /* Popular View Against Hydrogen */

2021-02-06T18:21:52Z

Popular View Against Hydrogen

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	*Batteries are overall 80% efficient [https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/07/04/why-hydrogen-will-never-be-the-future-of-electric-cars/?sh=f9aa4612fadd]		*Batteries are overall 80% efficient [https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/07/04/why-hydrogen-will-never-be-the-future-of-electric-cars/?sh=f9aa4612fadd]
	*Hydrogen is overall 40% efficient.		*Hydrogen is overall 40% efficient.
	*Facts: these figures are		*Facts: these figures look convincing against hydrogen on paper, but facts are most EVs are likely to be fossil fueled in terms of initial electricity generation, 37% efficient for coal plants [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=hwo+efficient+is+a+coal+plant&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5], bringing the 80% down to under 30% efficient.

Marcin: /* OSE Assessment */

2021-02-06T18:14:41Z

OSE Assessment

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	*EVs are a no go on first principles. I wonder when the world will stop deluding itself on this one. It will prosper in fringe markets such as forklifts, but no it cannot be a mainstream option because there is simply not enough lithium, and lithium mining is an environmental disaster.		*EVs are a no go on first principles. I wonder when the world will stop deluding itself on this one. It will prosper in fringe markets such as forklifts, but no it cannot be a mainstream option because there is simply not enough lithium, and lithium mining is an environmental disaster.
	*OSE is [[Solving Housing]] in 2021. In 2023, we are planning on [[Solving Energy]]. That means hydrogen as the next fuel of choice.		*OSE is [[Solving Housing]] in 2021. In 2023, we are planning on [[Solving Energy]]. That means hydrogen as the next fuel of choice.

			=Popular View Against Hydrogen=
			*Batteries are overall 80% efficient [https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/07/04/why-hydrogen-will-never-be-the-future-of-electric-cars/?sh=f9aa4612fadd]
			*Hydrogen is overall 40% efficient.
			*Facts: these figures are

Marcin: /* OSE Assessment */

2021-02-06T18:10:05Z

OSE Assessment

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	*Water is abundant		*Water is abundant
	*EVs are a no go on first principles. I wonder when the world will stop deluding itself on this one. It will prosper in fringe markets such as forklifts, but no it cannot be a mainstream option because there is simply not enough lithium, and lithium mining is an environmental disaster.		*EVs are a no go on first principles. I wonder when the world will stop deluding itself on this one. It will prosper in fringe markets such as forklifts, but no it cannot be a mainstream option because there is simply not enough lithium, and lithium mining is an environmental disaster.
			*OSE is [[Solving Housing]] in 2021. In 2023, we are planning on [[Solving Energy]]. That means hydrogen as the next fuel of choice.

Marcin: Created page with " EVs have a bumpy road ahead - [https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/02/06/auto-industry-peers-into-an-electric-future-sees-bumps-ahead/] ''Tesla Killer''..."

2021-02-06T18:09:10Z

Created page with " *EVs have a bumpy road ahead - [https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/02/06/auto-industry-peers-into-an-electric-future-sees-bumps-ahead/] *''Tesla Killer''..."

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*EVs have a bumpy road ahead - [https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/02/06/auto-industry-peers-into-an-electric-future-sees-bumps-ahead/]
*''Tesla Killer'' - [https://secure.angelpub.com/o/articles/304084?gclid=Cj0KCQiAmfmABhCHARIsACwPRADN1yynTq_9PZLJZLV7a8xygjoDDKhic04z2qJmfaBwrWQD_Nh9ZBYaAoa_EALw_wcB]

=OSE Assessment=
*Lithium is a scarce and strategic resource
*Water is abundant
*EVs are a no go on first principles. I wonder when the world will stop deluding itself on this one. It will prosper in fringe markets such as forklifts, but no it cannot be a mainstream option because there is simply not enough lithium, and lithium mining is an environmental disaster.

EV vs Hydrogen - Revision history

Marcin: /* Popular View Against Hydrogen */

Marcin: /* Popular View Against Hydrogen */

Marcin: /* OSE Assessment */

Marcin: /* OSE Assessment */

Marcin: Created page with " *EVs have a bumpy road ahead - [https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/02/06/auto-industry-peers-into-an-electric-future-sees-bumps-ahead/] *''Tesla Killer''..."

Marcin: Created page with " EVs have a bumpy road ahead - [https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/02/06/auto-industry-peers-into-an-electric-future-sees-bumps-ahead/] ''Tesla Killer''..."