Extreme Design - Revision history

Marcin at 22:39, 13 April 2026

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			=2026 Update=
			[[Iconic CAD]] transforms engineered design into a public design good. Any individual in the world will now be cabable of designing things previously relegated to experts. This transforms access to value production, and is part of solving distribution as one of the unsolved frontiers of human economics.

	=2023 Definition of Extreme Design=		=2023 Definition of Extreme Design=
	Extreme Design - problemsolving based on conceptualizing problems in their ludicrous limit - ie, a design which would obviously outperform, but is usually so simple that it is not considered as people seek more expensive, sophisticated solutions. The challenge is to make the ludicrous solution feasible. When accomplished, the cost is 10x lower, while maintaining [[OSE Spec]].		Extreme Design - problemsolving based on conceptualizing problems in their ludicrous limit - ie, a design which would obviously outperform, but is usually so simple that it is not considered as people seek more expensive, sophisticated solutions. The challenge is to make the ludicrous solution feasible. When accomplished, the cost is 10x lower, while maintaining [[OSE Spec]].

Marcin: /* Tractor Example */

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	*14 geardown of 520 rpm motor yields about 40 rpm. Wheels are about 20 feed circumference, so 800 fpm is 9 mph.		*14 geardown of 520 rpm motor yields about 40 rpm. Wheels are about 20 feed circumference, so 800 fpm is 9 mph.
	For best in class [[Drawbar Pull]].		For best in class [[Drawbar Pull]].

			We end up with $100/hp for the power and drive:

	*Power Cost per 64 hp - '''$2400 total'''		*Power Cost per 64 hp - '''$2400 total'''

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	For best in class [[Drawbar Pull]].		For best in class [[Drawbar Pull]].

	*Power Cost per 64 hp -		*Power Cost per 64 hp - '''$2400 total'''
	**engines '''$2400 total''' for a modular power unit - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + hydraulics and fittings $400 for 4 engines; frame for Power Cube - $50. Mother Power Cube excluded.		**engines for a modular power unit - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + hydraulics and fittings $400 for 4 engines; frame for Power Cube - $50. Mother Power Cube excluded.
	*Drive Cost -		*Drive Cost - '''$3400 total''' for scalability to 640 hp at dual wheel on front and back
	**chain - $800		**chain - $800
	**hydraulic motors - $600		**hydraulic motors - $600

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	*Power Cost per 64 hp -		*Power Cost per 64 hp -
	**engines '''$2400 total''' for a modular power unit - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + hydraulics and fittings $400 for 4 engines; frame for Power Cube - $50. Mother Power Cube excluded.		**engines '''$2400 total''' for a modular power unit - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + hydraulics and fittings $400 for 4 engines; frame for Power Cube - $50. Mother Power Cube excluded.
			*Drive Cost -
	**chain - $800		**chain - $800
	**hydraulic motors - $600		**hydraulic motors - $600
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	**Tires - serious wheels at $2400 with 3D printing		**Tires - serious wheels at $2400 with 3D printing
	**Sprockets - $400		**Sprockets - $400
	**		*Frame cost - not including cab - $2000 consisting of heavy duty rebar [[Space Frames]].

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	*Power Cost per 64 hp -		*Power Cost per 64 hp -
	**engines '''$2400 total''' - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + hydraulics and fittings $400 for 4 engines; frame for Power Cube - $50. Mother Power Cube excluded.		**engines '''$2400 total''' for a modular power unit - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + hydraulics and fittings $400 for 4 engines; frame for Power Cube - $50. Mother Power Cube excluded.
	**chain - $800		**chain - $800
	**hydraulic motors - $600		**hydraulic motors - $600

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	*Power Cost per 64 hp -		*Power Cost per 64 hp -
	**engines - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + ~~cooler & balance of~~ hydraulics and fittings =$~~300~~; frame for Power Cube - $50		**engines '''$2400 total''' - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + hydraulics and fittings $400 for 4 engines; frame for Power Cube - $50. Mother Power Cube excluded.
	**chain - $800		**chain - $800
	**hydraulic motors - $600		**hydraulic motors - $600

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	*Power Cost per 64 hp -		*Power Cost per 64 hp -
	**engines - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + cooler & balance of hydraulics and fittings =$300; frame - $50		**engines - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + cooler & balance of hydraulics and fittings =$300; frame for Power Cube - $50
	**chain - $800		**chain - $800
	**hydraulic motors - $600		**hydraulic motors - $600

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	**hydraulic motors - $600		**hydraulic motors - $600
	**hydraulic valves for 4 - $400		**hydraulic valves for 4 - $400
	**Shafts - 4 - $800		**Shafts - 4 - $400
			**Bearings - 8 - $800
	**Tires - serious wheels at $2400 with 3D printing		**Tires - serious wheels at $2400 with 3D printing
			**Sprockets - $400
	**		**

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	*14 geardown of 520 rpm motor yields about 40 rpm. Wheels are about 20 feed circumference, so 800 fpm is 9 mph.		*14 geardown of 520 rpm motor yields about 40 rpm. Wheels are about 20 feed circumference, so 800 fpm is 9 mph.
	For best in class [[Drawbar Pull]].		For best in class [[Drawbar Pull]].

			*Power Cost per 64 hp -
			**engines - $1600 + hydraulic pumps - $400 + cooler & balance of hydraulics and fittings =$300; frame - $50
			**chain - $800
			**hydraulic motors - $600
			**hydraulic valves for 4 - $400
			**Shafts - 4 - $800
			**Tires - serious wheels at $2400 with 3D printing
			**

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Marcin: /* Tractor Example */

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	*Geardown of extremely high torque wheel drive (7k lb traction force)- 3D printed wheel. Chain drives wheel near outer diameter. This is all done using chain at $10/ft [https://pgnbearings.com/products/120-roller-chain-x-10-feet-2-free-connecting-links?variant=39391021596785&currency=USD&gclid=Cj0KCQiApOyqBhDlARIsAGfnyMogacPi80JWh8kYkwW7aVMB1kgQ5P8SiKtYqNdiki4dqpHGvIVBJfkaAp0BEALw_wcB] and hydraulic motors at [[Hydraulic_Motors#Low_Cost\|$10/hp]]. 5:1 safety factor for chain. [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=how+much+of+its+working+strength+can+a+chain+be+rated+for&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Even with single chain and 4 wheels - we have 28k lb drawbar bull (coefficient of traction = 1) for $400 in chain, $600 in hydraulic motors, and for [[Engines]], we have $25/hp in increments of 16 hp. 40 of these would be required for 640 hp. Standard bank is 6 of these for around 100 hp, at $2500. 640 hp is $16k.		*Geardown of extremely high torque wheel drive (7k lb traction force)- 3D printed wheel. Chain drives wheel near outer diameter. This is all done using chain at $10/ft [https://pgnbearings.com/products/120-roller-chain-x-10-feet-2-free-connecting-links?variant=39391021596785&currency=USD&gclid=Cj0KCQiApOyqBhDlARIsAGfnyMogacPi80JWh8kYkwW7aVMB1kgQ5P8SiKtYqNdiki4dqpHGvIVBJfkaAp0BEALw_wcB] and hydraulic motors at [[Hydraulic_Motors#Low_Cost\|$10/hp]]. 5:1 safety factor for chain. [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=how+much+of+its+working+strength+can+a+chain+be+rated+for&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Even with single chain and 4 wheels - we have 28k lb drawbar bull (coefficient of traction = 1) for $400 in chain, $600 in hydraulic motors, and for [[Engines]], we have $25/hp in increments of 16 hp. 40 of these would be required for 640 hp. Standard bank is 6 of these for around 100 hp, at $2500. 640 hp is $16k.
	**Useful logical scale is 1 engine to one hydraulic motor. Each motor, with chain at 4" to 56" diameter: 2000 in lb is 500 in lb at 4", geardown of 14x gets us to the 7000 lb pull of the chain.		**Useful logical scale is 1 engine to one hydraulic motor. Each motor, with chain at 4" to 56" diameter: 2000 in lb is 500 in lb at 4", geardown of 14x gets us to the 7000 lb pull of the chain.
	**MVP for this system is heavy on the rubber and steel, which gets us to 28,000 lb drawbar pull for a minimum of 64 hp ($1600), about 20' of chain ($200 x4), $150x4 in hydraulic motors. $100x4 for hydraulic pumps. $100x 4 for valves. Sprocket is a big CNC torch cut disk, sandwiched between 3D printed rubber. [[Bearings]] are 2 per shaft, or $100 per shaft or $800.For rubber, count on 500 lb for a large tire, produced with [[TPU]] or [[TPO]] 3D printing filament. TPU is $1.25/lb in scrap. $600 per tire, 15000 load rating. '''Total: $2.4k for rubber and $4k for drive'''. Rest is steel, shafts, bearings. Steel is $28k at $1/lb, but we can do space frame for 1/5 the weight in steel and the rest in concrete for the traction weight - start with 10000 lb frame or 1/3 the weight. Use [[Space Frame]] technology. Prototype cost of $16k for 64 hp. Power system is fully scalable at under $4k for 64 hp/28k lb traction. 640 hp would cost $40k for drive + traction, and another 10k for frame, or $50k total. Remote control, so the operator is taken out of the equation. IT gets more attractive once implements are added. Same machine is used as heavy wheel loader. 320 hp would be about $30k.		**MVP for this system is heavy on the rubber and steel, which gets us to 28,000 lb drawbar pull for a minimum of 64 hp ($1600 in engines), about 20' of chain ($200 x4), $150x4 in hydraulic motors. $100x4 for hydraulic pumps. $100x 4 for valves. Sprocket is a big CNC torch cut disk, sandwiched between 3D printed rubber. [[Bearings]] are 2 per shaft, or $100 per shaft or $800.For rubber, count on 500 lb for a large tire, produced with [[TPU]] or [[TPO]] 3D printing filament. TPU is $1.25/lb in scrap. $600 per tire, 15000 load rating. '''Total: $2.4k for rubber and $4k for drive'''. Rest is steel, shafts, bearings. Steel is $28k at $1/lb, but we can do space frame for 1/5 the weight in steel and the rest in concrete for the traction weight - start with 10000 lb frame or 1/3 the weight. Use [[Space Frame]] technology. Prototype cost of $16k for 64 hp. Power system is fully scalable at under $4k for 64 hp/28k lb traction. 640 hp would cost $40k for drive + traction, and another 10k for frame, or $50k total. Remote control, so the operator is taken out of the equation. IT gets more attractive once implements are added. Same machine is used as heavy wheel loader. 320 hp would be about $30k.
	*14 geardown of 520 rpm motor yields about 40 rpm. Wheels are about 20 feed circumference, so 800 fpm is 9 mph.		*14 geardown of 520 rpm motor yields about 40 rpm. Wheels are about 20 feed circumference, so 800 fpm is 9 mph.
	For best in class [[Drawbar Pull]].		For best in class [[Drawbar Pull]].