https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=GI_Bill_LogGI Bill Log - Revision history2026-05-02T15:34:52ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.13https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=GI_Bill_Log&diff=259343&oldid=prevMarcin at 03:03, 8 August 20212021-08-08T03:03:30Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><html><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">GI Bill through university partnership: There is no block, provided the university &ldquo;owns&rsquo; the program. This would mean that the university recognizes the OSE curriculums a formal part of their degree or certificate program. From the point of view of the SAA and Veteran&rsquo;s Administration (VA), who administer the GI Bill, they are just seeing University students receive their GI Bill for going to school full-time. In this scenario, everything hinges on how OSE and said university partner and various hurdles associated with creating a new engineering curriculum. The 2 year OSE portion would have to satisfy the ABET accrediting standards not covered in the first two years, which is a rabbit hole I have yet to jump down.</div></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><html><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">GI Bill through university partnership: There is no block, provided the university &ldquo;owns&rsquo; the program. This would mean that the university recognizes the OSE curriculums a formal part of their degree or certificate program. From the point of view of the SAA and Veteran&rsquo;s Administration (VA), who administer the GI Bill, they are just seeing University students receive their GI Bill for going to school full-time. In this scenario, everything hinges on how OSE and said university partner and various hurdles associated with creating a new engineering curriculum. The 2 year OSE portion would have to satisfy the ABET accrediting standards not covered in the first two years, which is a rabbit hole I have yet to jump down.</div></div></td></tr>
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</td></tr></table>Marcinhttps://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=GI_Bill_Log&diff=259340&oldid=prevMarcin: Created page with "=From Jon Miller Log= <html><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: n..."2021-08-08T03:02:58Z<p>Created page with "=From <a href="/wiki/Jon_Miller_Log" title="Jon Miller Log">Jon Miller Log</a>= <html><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: n..."</p>
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<html><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">GI Bill through university partnership: There is no block, provided the university &ldquo;owns&rsquo; the program. This would mean that the university recognizes the OSE curriculums a formal part of their degree or certificate program. From the point of view of the SAA and Veteran&rsquo;s Administration (VA), who administer the GI Bill, they are just seeing University students receive their GI Bill for going to school full-time. In this scenario, everything hinges on how OSE and said university partner and various hurdles associated with creating a new engineering curriculum. The 2 year OSE portion would have to satisfy the ABET accrediting standards not covered in the first two years, which is a rabbit hole I have yet to jump down.</div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br></div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">As far as revenue goes, the 2/2 year split seems fair, but it will require the right type of open minded academic leader to sign off on it. The cynical, devil&rsquo;s advocate position is: if a student enrolls in my college for an engineering degree, but they spend half of it on a farm under someone else&rsquo;s curriculum, then basically we are admitting that our in-house curriculum isn&rsquo;t sufficient. Also, if a university is concerned about it&rsquo;s rankings, then post-graduation jobs/earnings matter to them. If they don&rsquo;t buy into the OSE vision, we may need to articulate some value proposition related to immediate employment to justify the money.</div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br></div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Agree- block is psychological, and I would add cultural; OSE defies common intuitions about what education is and how to build a career. I agree with the logic of embedding into a 4-year degree program and I would want the OSE program to stand on its own. I think the right program could be sold directly to government as a direct transition option a la Jesse&rsquo;s original idea to secure a federal contract.</div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br></div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"># of Vets in 12 months after development: High-End: 1000 would apply, Low-End, 100. I&rsquo;m going to start testing the market this week through social media.</div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br></div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Details on GI Bill: <a data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://surface.syr.edu/ivmf/7/&source=gmail&ust=1628475888806000&usg=AFQjCNEtNwWgimUH8r9T31KLIR2LeYWVAg" href="https://surface.syr.edu/ivmf/7/" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" target="_blank">Less than 50% of eligible veterans use GI Bill</a>&nbsp; <a data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-16-51-highlights.pdf&source=gmail&ust=1628475888806000&usg=AFQjCNFKaPbxG_imNUSL4_nXNYmnNjwn0Q" href="https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-16-51-highlights.pdf" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" target="_blank">Less than 3% of eligible veterans use the GI Bill for employment (apprenticeship, not education)</a>&nbsp; Every year, approximately 200-250k service members leave the military. 140k are 18-35, without a college degree. I have to check, but I believe the VA benefit&rsquo;s budget in 2020 was $11B. Most of that is healthcare, but the money IS there for GI Bill. Regarding flexible/fixed funding: I don&rsquo;t know how appropriations work, however the GI Bill is federal law, and I would imagine they use statistical models to forecast their budget requests to congress.</div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br></div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Finally, the exact pot of money funding veterans at OSE may become apparent after we have a program that we can pitch to different entities: government, universities, private sector, etc. Common to all is our ability to answer the 5 Ws in detail for the proposed 2-year program, existing 6-month apprenticeship, and any other programs in the works. In the meantime, I am keeping all options open: education, apprenticeship, partnership, and stand-alone.</div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br></div><br />
<div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Curriculum Dev: Just getting my feet under me, will send separate e-mail including Paul.</div><br />
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