Hillbilly Heater - Revision history

Marcin: /* Industry Standards */

2020-06-14T04:41:33Z

Industry Standards

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	*4x4 feet - [https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00O80PSE6/?coliid=I1INJ4FVABGTBT&colid=39NW1BJN5WI3W&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it]		*4x4 feet - [https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00O80PSE6/?coliid=I1INJ4FVABGTBT&colid=39NW1BJN5WI3W&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it]
	*4x20 feet - [https://smile.amazon.com/Smartpool-WWS421P-Sunheater-Heater-Ground/dp/B004VU986W/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=pool+solar+heater&qid=1592099031&sr=8-5]		*4x20 feet - [https://smile.amazon.com/Smartpool-WWS421P-Sunheater-Heater-Ground/dp/B004VU986W/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=pool+solar+heater&qid=1592099031&sr=8-5]
			*Garden hose attachment to pool pump for heat via garden hose - [https://www.amazon.com/Beluga-Pool-Solutions-1652-Swimming/dp/B00JOSAHX4/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=pool+solar+heater&qid=1592099031&sr=8-7&pldnSite=1]
	==DIY==		==DIY==
	*'''$250 cost for 4x8 foot finned collector with CPVC''', which works comparably to finned aluminum collector - or $8/sf - [http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/CPVCCollector/CPVCCollectorTest.htm]		*'''$250 cost for 4x8 foot finned collector with CPVC''', which works comparably to finned aluminum collector - or $8/sf - [http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/CPVCCollector/CPVCCollectorTest.htm]

Marcin: /* Industry Standards */

2020-06-14T04:39:49Z

Industry Standards

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	*Evacuated tube - 5 sf - $179 + $230 ship - [http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Evacuated-Tubes-Solar-Collector-of-Solar-Hot-Water-Heater-Vacuum-Tube/272110504741?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3D325f30ec2c5d474488e1cd3aaa7363ab%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D9%26rkt%3D29%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D331878211226]		*Evacuated tube - 5 sf - $179 + $230 ship - [http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Evacuated-Tubes-Solar-Collector-of-Solar-Hot-Water-Heater-Vacuum-Tube/272110504741?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3D325f30ec2c5d474488e1cd3aaa7363ab%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D9%26rkt%3D29%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D331878211226]
	*Evacuated - $670 - 15 sf - [https://www.amazon.com/Duda-Solar-Collector-Evacuated-Certified/dp/B00HP846KK/ref=sr_1_10?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1478787005&sr=1-10&keywords=solar+hot+water]		*Evacuated - $670 - 15 sf - [https://www.amazon.com/Duda-Solar-Collector-Evacuated-Certified/dp/B00HP846KK/ref=sr_1_10?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1478787005&sr=1-10&keywords=solar+hot+water]
			*4x4 feet - [https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00O80PSE6/?coliid=I1INJ4FVABGTBT&colid=39NW1BJN5WI3W&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it]
			*4x20 feet - [https://smile.amazon.com/Smartpool-WWS421P-Sunheater-Heater-Ground/dp/B004VU986W/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=pool+solar+heater&qid=1592099031&sr=8-5]

	==DIY==		==DIY==
	*'''$250 cost for 4x8 foot finned collector with CPVC''', which works comparably to finned aluminum collector - or $8/sf - [http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/CPVCCollector/CPVCCollectorTest.htm]		*'''$250 cost for 4x8 foot finned collector with CPVC''', which works comparably to finned aluminum collector - or $8/sf - [http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/CPVCCollector/CPVCCollectorTest.htm]

Marcin: /* Industry Standards */

2018-12-16T21:40:39Z

Industry Standards

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	=Industry Standards=		=Industry Standards=
	*Hillbilly heater - 30 sf or 3 sq meters per 500' roll of 1/2" tubing if tubing has .7" OD - $62 - [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431569240.htm](note: special order, but 100' sections are in stock). OD is .712".		*Hillbilly heater - 30 sf or 3 sq meters per 500' roll of 1/2" tubing if tubing has .7" OD - $62 - [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431569240.htm](note: special order, but 100' sections are in stock). OD is .712".
	:*Compare to 3/4" tubing - $72 for 500' roll- [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/3-4-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431568981.htm], 1" OD. Based on surface area, the 3/4" option is about 20% cheaper, and less work to install. 3/4" should be used, as it saves 30% on installation length for the same power. This is not PEX - need to evaluate PEX for same power if freezing conditions exist.		:*Compare to 3/4" tubing - $72 for 500' roll- [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/3-4-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431568981.htm], 1" OD. Based on surface area, the 3/4" option is about 20% cheaper, and less work to install. 3/4" should be used, as it saves 30% on installation length for the same power. This is not PEX - need to evaluate PEX for same power if freezing conditions exist. $91 for 300' - not better than 1/2".
	:Thus: '''Hillbilly tubing is 30 square feet or about 3 kW of heat capture per 500' coil. 500 feet 12 inches per foot .7 in (square inches) = 30 square feet. For 3/4", that is 50012/144 = 40 sf, or 4 sq meters. 4 kW per 500' coil.		:Thus: '''Hillbilly tubing is 30 square feet or about 3 kW of heat capture per 500' coil. 500 feet 12 inches per foot .7 in (square inches) = 30 square feet. For 3/4", that is 50012/144 = 40 sf, or 4 sq meters. 4 kW per 500' coil.
	:*Furthermore - pumping losses are lower with 3/4" tubing compared to 1/2"		:*Furthermore - pumping losses are lower with 3/4" tubing compared to 1/2"

Marcin: /* Cost for Power */

2018-12-16T21:36:47Z

Cost for Power

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	==Cost for Power==		==Cost for Power==
	*With an $18/square meter or $18 per kw captured energy - we are at about $36/kw of useful heat if we assume 50% heat trapping efficiency. 30 kW of this is about $1000 cost.		*With an $18/square meter ($72 for 4 sq meters) or $18 per kw captured energy - we are at about $36/kw of useful heat if we assume 50% heat trapping efficiency. 30 kW of this is about $1000 cost.
	*Compare to a 30kW wood burning stove - comparable price. Except in the solar case the energy is free.		*Compare to a 30kW wood burning stove - comparable price. Except in the solar case the energy is free.

	==Area==		==Area==
	Current greenhouse has 16' long rafters, for a 512 square foot area. Solar income on that area is 50 kW. 30% of this would be 15kW.		Current greenhouse has 16' long rafters, for a 512 square foot area. Solar income on that area is 50 kW. 30% of this would be 15kW.

Marcin: /* Industry Standards */

2018-12-16T21:35:35Z

Industry Standards

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	=Industry Standards=		=Industry Standards=
	*Hillbilly heater - 30 sf or 2 sq meters per 500' roll of 1/2" tubing if tubing has .7" OD - $62 - [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431569240.htm](note: special order, but 100' sections are in stock). OD is .712".		*Hillbilly heater - 30 sf or 3 sq meters per 500' roll of 1/2" tubing if tubing has .7" OD - $62 - [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431569240.htm](note: special order, but 100' sections are in stock). OD is .712".
	:*Compare to 3/4" tubing - $72 for 500' roll- [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/3-4-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431568981.htm], 1" OD. Based on surface area, the 3/4" option is about 20% cheaper, and less work to install. 3/4" should be used, as it saves 30% on installation length for the same power. This is not PEX - need to evaluate PEX for same power if freezing conditions exist.		:*Compare to 3/4" tubing - $72 for 500' roll- [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/3-4-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431568981.htm], 1" OD. Based on surface area, the 3/4" option is about 20% cheaper, and less work to install. 3/4" should be used, as it saves 30% on installation length for the same power. This is not PEX - need to evaluate PEX for same power if freezing conditions exist.
	:Thus: '''Hillbilly tubing is 30 square feet or about 3 kW of heat capture per 500' coil. 500 feet 12 inches per foot .7 in (square inches) = 30 square feet. For 3/4", that is 50012/144 = 40 sf, or 4 sq meters. 4 kW per 500' coil.		:Thus: '''Hillbilly tubing is 30 square feet or about 3 kW of heat capture per 500' coil. 500 feet 12 inches per foot .7 in (square inches) = 30 square feet. For 3/4", that is 50012/144 = 40 sf, or 4 sq meters. 4 kW per 500' coil.

Marcin: /* Industry Standards */

2018-12-16T21:32:28Z

Industry Standards

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	*Hillbilly heater - 30 sf or 2 sq meters per 500' roll of 1/2" tubing if tubing has .7" OD - $62 - [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431569240.htm](note: special order, but 100' sections are in stock). OD is .712".		*Hillbilly heater - 30 sf or 2 sq meters per 500' roll of 1/2" tubing if tubing has .7" OD - $62 - [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431569240.htm](note: special order, but 100' sections are in stock). OD is .712".
	:*Compare to 3/4" tubing - $72 for 500' roll- [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/3-4-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431568981.htm], 1" OD. Based on surface area, the 3/4" option is about 20% cheaper, and less work to install. 3/4" should be used, as it saves 30% on installation length for the same power.		:*Compare to 3/4" tubing - $72 for 500' roll- [https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/watering-irrigation/polypipe/3-4-100-psi-irrigation-pipe-yellow-label/p-1444431568981.htm], 1" OD. Based on surface area, the 3/4" option is about 20% cheaper, and less work to install. 3/4" should be used, as it saves 30% on installation length for the same power. This is not PEX - need to evaluate PEX for same power if freezing conditions exist.
	:Thus: '''Hillbilly tubing is 30 square feet or about 3 kW of heat capture per 500' coil. 500 feet 12 inches per foot .7 in (square inches) = 30 square feet. For 3/4", that is 50012/144 = 40 sf, or 4 sq meters. 4 kW per 500' coil.		:Thus: '''Hillbilly tubing is 30 square feet or about 3 kW of heat capture per 500' coil. 500 feet 12 inches per foot .7 in (square inches) = 30 square feet. For 3/4", that is 50012/144 = 40 sf, or 4 sq meters. 4 kW per 500' coil.
	:*Furthermore - pumping losses are lower with 3/4" tubing compared to 1/2"		:*Furthermore - pumping losses are lower with 3/4" tubing compared to 1/2"

Marcin: /* Calculations */

2018-12-16T21:29:19Z

Calculations

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	*$45 for 300' of 1/2" poly - [https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/rough-plumbing/pipe-tubing-hoses-fittings-accessories/pipe/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-polyethylene-irrigation-pipe/91030/p-1444431568596.htm]		*$45 for 300' of 1/2" poly - [https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/rough-plumbing/pipe-tubing-hoses-fittings-accessories/pipe/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-polyethylene-irrigation-pipe/91030/p-1444431568596.htm]
	*$52 for 1/2" PEX - [https://www.amazon.com/Pexflow-PFW-B12300-Potable-Tubing-Non-Barrier/dp/B00NPYAK1M/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1544995123&sr=8-8&keywords=1%2F2"+PEX+300%27]		*$52 for 1/2" PEX - [https://www.amazon.com/Pexflow-PFW-B12300-Potable-Tubing-Non-Barrier/dp/B00NPYAK1M/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1544995123&sr=8-8&keywords=1%2F2"+PEX+300%27]
			*System cost -$20 power supply, $35 pump, $52 for 300' of tubing. Epoxy to waterproof the submersible pump

	==Cost for Power==		==Cost for Power==

Marcin: /* Calculations */

2018-12-16T21:20:40Z

Calculations

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	*$45 for 300' of 1/2" poly - [https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/rough-plumbing/pipe-tubing-hoses-fittings-accessories/pipe/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-polyethylene-irrigation-pipe/91030/p-1444431568596.htm]		*$45 for 300' of 1/2" poly - [https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/rough-plumbing/pipe-tubing-hoses-fittings-accessories/pipe/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-polyethylene-irrigation-pipe/91030/p-1444431568596.htm]
			*$52 for 1/2" PEX - [https://www.amazon.com/Pexflow-PFW-B12300-Potable-Tubing-Non-Barrier/dp/B00NPYAK1M/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1544995123&sr=8-8&keywords=1%2F2"+PEX+300%27]

Marcin: /* Calculations */

2018-12-16T21:18:01Z

Calculations

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	=Calculations=		=Calculations=
			*$45 for 300' of 1/2" poly - [https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/rough-plumbing/pipe-tubing-hoses-fittings-accessories/pipe/polypipe/1-2-100-psi-polyethylene-irrigation-pipe/91030/p-1444431568596.htm]


	==Cost for Power==		==Cost for Power==
	*With an $18/square meter or $18 per kw captured energy - we are at about $36/kw of useful heat if we assume 50% heat trapping efficiency. 30 kW of this is about $1000 cost.		*With an $18/square meter or $18 per kw captured energy - we are at about $36/kw of useful heat if we assume 50% heat trapping efficiency. 30 kW of this is about $1000 cost.

Marcin: /* BOM */

2018-12-16T20:58:10Z

BOM

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	*1" tubing for bends - [https://www.amazon.com/TetraPond-Pond-Tubing-Diameter-20-Feet/dp/B004YK5HAK/ref=sr_1_12?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1544991920&sr=1-12&keywords=1"+hose]		*1" tubing for bends - [https://www.amazon.com/TetraPond-Pond-Tubing-Diameter-20-Feet/dp/B004YK5HAK/ref=sr_1_12?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1544991920&sr=1-12&keywords=1"+hose]
	*2 GPM submersible pump - [https://m.alibaba.com/product/60782458022/SURGEFLOwater-pump-borewell-submersible-pumps-submersible.html?spm=a2706.7843667.1998817009.19.204650e6xnKjws]		*2 GPM submersible pump - [https://m.alibaba.com/product/60782458022/SURGEFLOwater-pump-borewell-submersible-pumps-submersible.html?spm=a2706.7843667.1998817009.19.204650e6xnKjws]
			*Red PEX for freezeproofing in winter?

	=Reference Links=		=Reference Links=
	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0csXsRzrq2Y&t=5s Marcin Aquaponic Green House walkthrough		https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0csXsRzrq2Y&t=5s Marcin Aquaponic Green House walkthrough