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Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T08:16:53Z

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	*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]		*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]
	*Hydrogen tank at $1500 - [https://www.ebay.com/itm/126386269516?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&srsltid=AfmBOop6PXrqy5n1QKgCxwASGJbpCZyk3QMQPEw5q9i925ryvsiV7Kf5Oj0&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e]		*Hydrogen tank at $1500 - [https://www.ebay.com/itm/126386269516?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&srsltid=AfmBOop6PXrqy5n1QKgCxwASGJbpCZyk3QMQPEw5q9i925ryvsiV7Kf5Oj0&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e]
	*High pressure electrolyzers - if we can avoid the pump, that is great - such as Avalence Hydrofiller. [https://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/docs/hydrogenprogramlibraries/pdfs/review11/pd029_dunn_2011_o.pdf]		*High pressure electrolyzers - if we can avoid the pump, that is great - such as Avalence Hydrofiller. [https://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/docs/hydrogenprogramlibraries/pdfs/review11/pd029_dunn_2011_o.pdf]. But, follow up on what came out of this, a decade ago.

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Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T08:13:28Z

Cost of Production and Storage

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	*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]		*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]
	*Hydrogen tank at $1500 - [https://www.ebay.com/itm/126386269516?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&srsltid=AfmBOop6PXrqy5n1QKgCxwASGJbpCZyk3QMQPEw5q9i925ryvsiV7Kf5Oj0&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e]		*Hydrogen tank at $1500 - [https://www.ebay.com/itm/126386269516?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&srsltid=AfmBOop6PXrqy5n1QKgCxwASGJbpCZyk3QMQPEw5q9i925ryvsiV7Kf5Oj0&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e]
			*High pressure electrolyzers - if we can avoid the pump, that is great - such as Avalence Hydrofiller. [https://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/docs/hydrogenprogramlibraries/pdfs/review11/pd029_dunn_2011_o.pdf]

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Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T07:40:43Z

Cost of Production and Storage

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	*Storage cylinder bundles - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/cosmos-stationary-multi-element-hydrogen-container-worthington]. See more at [[Hydrogen Storage]]. See Type 1-4 tanks at [https://www.addcomposites.com/post/types-of-hydrogen-tanks-technological-differences-and-advantages-explained#:~:text=This%20is%20where%20the%20interesting,is%2025%20grams%20per%20liter.]		*Storage cylinder bundles - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/cosmos-stationary-multi-element-hydrogen-container-worthington]. See more at [[Hydrogen Storage]]. See Type 1-4 tanks at [https://www.addcomposites.com/post/types-of-hydrogen-tanks-technological-differences-and-advantages-explained#:~:text=This%20is%20where%20the%20interesting,is%2025%20grams%20per%20liter.]
	*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]		*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]
			*Hydrogen tank at $1500 - [https://www.ebay.com/itm/126386269516?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&srsltid=AfmBOop6PXrqy5n1QKgCxwASGJbpCZyk3QMQPEw5q9i925ryvsiV7Kf5Oj0&com_cvv=d30042528f072ba8a22b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e]

	=Value Proposition=		=Value Proposition=

Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T07:36:39Z

Cost of Production and Storage

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	*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/], and is expected to fall to $200. This makes a $1500 cost realistic, given that we are producing atmospheric pressure hydrogen as opposed to 16 bar.		*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/], and is expected to fall to $200. This makes a $1500 cost realistic, given that we are producing atmospheric pressure hydrogen as opposed to 16 bar.
	*Pressurizing - opposed hydraulic cylinders may be used. [https://www.haskel.com/en-us/blog/maintaining-hydrogen-gas-purity-for-hydrogen-refuelling]		*Pressurizing - opposed hydraulic cylinders may be used. [https://www.haskel.com/en-us/blog/maintaining-hydrogen-gas-purity-for-hydrogen-refuelling]
	*Storage cylinder bundles - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/cosmos-stationary-multi-element-hydrogen-container-worthington]. See more at [[Hydrogen Storage]].		*Storage cylinder bundles - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/cosmos-stationary-multi-element-hydrogen-container-worthington]. See more at [[Hydrogen Storage]]. See Type 1-4 tanks at [https://www.addcomposites.com/post/types-of-hydrogen-tanks-technological-differences-and-advantages-explained#:~:text=This%20is%20where%20the%20interesting,is%2025%20grams%20per%20liter.]
	*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]		*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]

Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T07:30:55Z

Cost of Production and Storage

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	*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/], and is expected to fall to $200. This makes a $1500 cost realistic, given that we are producing atmospheric pressure hydrogen as opposed to 16 bar.		*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/], and is expected to fall to $200. This makes a $1500 cost realistic, given that we are producing atmospheric pressure hydrogen as opposed to 16 bar.
	*Pressurizing - opposed hydraulic cylinders may be used. [https://www.haskel.com/en-us/blog/maintaining-hydrogen-gas-purity-for-hydrogen-refuelling]		*Pressurizing - opposed hydraulic cylinders may be used. [https://www.haskel.com/en-us/blog/maintaining-hydrogen-gas-purity-for-hydrogen-refuelling]
	*Storage cylinder bundles - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/cosmos-stationary-multi-element-hydrogen-container-worthington]		*Storage cylinder bundles - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/cosmos-stationary-multi-element-hydrogen-container-worthington]. See more at [[Hydrogen Storage]].
	*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]		*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]

Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T07:28:22Z

Cost of Production and Storage

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	*Pressurizing - opposed hydraulic cylinders may be used. [https://www.haskel.com/en-us/blog/maintaining-hydrogen-gas-purity-for-hydrogen-refuelling]		*Pressurizing - opposed hydraulic cylinders may be used. [https://www.haskel.com/en-us/blog/maintaining-hydrogen-gas-purity-for-hydrogen-refuelling]
	*Storage cylinder bundles - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/cosmos-stationary-multi-element-hydrogen-container-worthington]		*Storage cylinder bundles - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/cosmos-stationary-multi-element-hydrogen-container-worthington]
			*Hydrogen dispensers - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/hydrogen-dispensing-system-350-bar-h-frame]

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Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T07:27:12Z

Cost of Production and Storage

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	*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/], and is expected to fall to $200. This makes a $1500 cost realistic, given that we are producing atmospheric pressure hydrogen as opposed to 16 bar.		*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/], and is expected to fall to $200. This makes a $1500 cost realistic, given that we are producing atmospheric pressure hydrogen as opposed to 16 bar.
	*Pressurizing - opposed hydraulic cylinders may be used. [https://www.haskel.com/en-us/blog/maintaining-hydrogen-gas-purity-for-hydrogen-refuelling]		*Pressurizing - opposed hydraulic cylinders may be used. [https://www.haskel.com/en-us/blog/maintaining-hydrogen-gas-purity-for-hydrogen-refuelling]
			*Storage cylinder bundles - [https://hyfindr.com/en/shop/products/cosmos-stationary-multi-element-hydrogen-container-worthington]

	=Value Proposition=		=Value Proposition=

Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T07:24:27Z

Cost of Production and Storage

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	***Total 24kW system, 3000 sf space needed - half on rooftop, 1/4 on canopy, 1/4 on car parking lot. Still only $5k - for $1k in electricity, $1k heat and cool, $1k fuel, $1k night time fuel. $4k/yr value production, pays back in a year. We include it in the price of a normal house.		***Total 24kW system, 3000 sf space needed - half on rooftop, 1/4 on canopy, 1/4 on car parking lot. Still only $5k - for $1k in electricity, $1k heat and cool, $1k fuel, $1k night time fuel. $4k/yr value production, pays back in a year. We include it in the price of a normal house.
	*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/], and is expected to fall to $200. This makes a $1500 cost realistic, given that we are producing atmospheric pressure hydrogen as opposed to 16 bar.		*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/], and is expected to fall to $200. This makes a $1500 cost realistic, given that we are producing atmospheric pressure hydrogen as opposed to 16 bar.
			*Pressurizing - opposed hydraulic cylinders may be used. [https://www.haskel.com/en-us/blog/maintaining-hydrogen-gas-purity-for-hydrogen-refuelling]

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Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T07:15:13Z

Cost of Production and Storage

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	***For producing fuel, we need another 6 kW - or about 15000 miles per year in a 40 mpg car. This can be on the same site - but more favorable if it's in a community charging station.		***For producing fuel, we need another 6 kW - or about 15000 miles per year in a 40 mpg car. This can be on the same site - but more favorable if it's in a community charging station.
	***Total 24kW system, 3000 sf space needed - half on rooftop, 1/4 on canopy, 1/4 on car parking lot. Still only $5k - for $1k in electricity, $1k heat and cool, $1k fuel, $1k night time fuel. $4k/yr value production, pays back in a year. We include it in the price of a normal house.		***Total 24kW system, 3000 sf space needed - half on rooftop, 1/4 on canopy, 1/4 on car parking lot. Still only $5k - for $1k in electricity, $1k heat and cool, $1k fuel, $1k night time fuel. $4k/yr value production, pays back in a year. We include it in the price of a normal house.
	*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/].		*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/], and is expected to fall to $200. This makes a $1500 cost realistic, given that we are producing atmospheric pressure hydrogen as opposed to 16 bar.

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Marcin: /* Cost of Production and Storage */

2024-05-27T07:13:52Z

Cost of Production and Storage

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	***For producing fuel, we need another 6 kW - or about 15000 miles per year in a 40 mpg car. This can be on the same site - but more favorable if it's in a community charging station.		***For producing fuel, we need another 6 kW - or about 15000 miles per year in a 40 mpg car. This can be on the same site - but more favorable if it's in a community charging station.
	***Total 24kW system, 3000 sf space needed - half on rooftop, 1/4 on canopy, 1/4 on car parking lot. Still only $5k - for $1k in electricity, $1k heat and cool, $1k fuel, $1k night time fuel. $4k/yr value production, pays back in a year. We include it in the price of a normal house.		***Total 24kW system, 3000 sf space needed - half on rooftop, 1/4 on canopy, 1/4 on car parking lot. Still only $5k - for $1k in electricity, $1k heat and cool, $1k fuel, $1k night time fuel. $4k/yr value production, pays back in a year. We include it in the price of a normal house.
			*For the electrolyzer, industry standard cost would be $6k for 6kW. See p.21 [https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Hydrogen-Insights-Dec-2023-Update.pdf]. But, we're slashing balance of plant to get this to $3k, and we are innovating on production engineering to get the electrolyzer down to $1500 in materials. That will be a challenge. China electrolyzer costs $300/kW [https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/03/21/electrolyzer-prices-what-to-expect/].

	=Value Proposition=		=Value Proposition=