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Marcin: /* Hydrogen Generator */

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Hydrogen Generator

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 =Hydrogen Generator=
-==Separating Generator==
+*See [[Electrolyzer]]
 =Demonstration Hydrogen Houses=

Marcin: /* Separating Generator */

2021-02-14T01:35:35Z

Separating Generator

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	**Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr.		**Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr.
	*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Purity-Hydrogen-Gas-Generator-Stable-Display-W-Pressure-Gauge-0-500ML-MIN/174534291915?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Df70c76fdc17841cdae40edfa64715678%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D303581323329%26itm%3D174534291915%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2386202.c100677.m4598]		*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Purity-Hydrogen-Gas-Generator-Stable-Display-W-Pressure-Gauge-0-500ML-MIN/174534291915?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Df70c76fdc17841cdae40edfa64715678%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D303581323329%26itm%3D174534291915%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2386202.c100677.m4598]
	**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.		**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression (thus 500 gal at 4 bar can handle 2 days worth of generation), but if it is solar generation, that is 8 days of storage)) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.
	*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.		*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
	*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.55 gal [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=tank+size+of+honda+1000eu&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is		*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.55 gal [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=tank+size+of+honda+1000eu&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is

Marcin: /* Separating Generator */

2021-02-14T01:32:58Z

Separating Generator

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	**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.		**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.
	*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.		*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
	*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.6 gal) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is		*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.55 gal [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=tank+size+of+honda+1000eu&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is
	*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]		*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]
	*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]		*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]

Marcin: /* Hydrogen Generator */

2020-11-27T20:38:13Z

Hydrogen Generator

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	**Redo the same - and 10x lower cost.		**Redo the same - and 10x lower cost.
	**Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr.		**Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr.
	*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/i/~~303581323329?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711~~-~~117182~~-~~37290~~-0~~&mkcid=2&itemid=303581323329&targetid=934800885096&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9023315&poi=&campaignid=10459842387&mkgroupid=104612011100&rlsatarget=pla~~-~~934800885096&abcId=2146002&merchantid~~=~~113206412~~&~~gclid~~=~~CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCb1byp7oBwY9Bp1ey_LIVTAioZezzH2bQOWlXG3MBslaV2CYhdiWvmRoC7WYQAvD_BwE~~]		*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Purity-Hydrogen-Gas-Generator-Stable-Display-W-Pressure-Gauge-0-500ML-MIN/174534291915?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Df70c76fdc17841cdae40edfa64715678%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D303581323329%26itm%3D174534291915%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2386202.c100677.m4598]
	**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.		**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.
	*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.		*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.

Marcin: /* Separating Generator */

2020-11-18T19:24:06Z

Separating Generator

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	**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.		**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.
	*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.		*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
	*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.6 gal) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is		*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.6 gal) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is
	*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]		*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]
	*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]		*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]

Marcin: /* Separating Generator */

2020-11-18T19:15:06Z

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	**Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr.		**Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr.
	*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/i/303581323329?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=303581323329&targetid=934800885096&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9023315&poi=&campaignid=10459842387&mkgroupid=104612011100&rlsatarget=pla-934800885096&abcId=2146002&merchantid=113206412&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCb1byp7oBwY9Bp1ey_LIVTAioZezzH2bQOWlXG3MBslaV2CYhdiWvmRoC7WYQAvD_BwE]		*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/i/303581323329?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=303581323329&targetid=934800885096&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9023315&poi=&campaignid=10459842387&mkgroupid=104612011100&rlsatarget=pla-934800885096&abcId=2146002&merchantid=113206412&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCb1byp7oBwY9Bp1ey_LIVTAioZezzH2bQOWlXG3MBslaV2CYhdiWvmRoC7WYQAvD_BwE]
	**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.		**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.
	*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.		*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
	*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.6 gal) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is		*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.6 gal) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is

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2020-11-18T19:14:11Z

Separating Generator

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	**Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr.		**Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr.
	*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/i/303581323329?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=303581323329&targetid=934800885096&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9023315&poi=&campaignid=10459842387&mkgroupid=104612011100&rlsatarget=pla-934800885096&abcId=2146002&merchantid=113206412&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCb1byp7oBwY9Bp1ey_LIVTAioZezzH2bQOWlXG3MBslaV2CYhdiWvmRoC7WYQAvD_BwE]		*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/i/303581323329?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=303581323329&targetid=934800885096&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9023315&poi=&campaignid=10459842387&mkgroupid=104612011100&rlsatarget=pla-934800885096&abcId=2146002&merchantid=113206412&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCb1byp7oBwY9Bp1ey_LIVTAioZezzH2bQOWlXG3MBslaV2CYhdiWvmRoC7WYQAvD_BwE]
	**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day. Or 290 grams per day.		**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.
	*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.		*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
	*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.6 gal) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is		*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.6 gal) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is

Marcin: /* Separating Generator */

2020-11-18T19:12:56Z

Separating Generator

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	*Diagram of system - [https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy19osti/70380.pdf]. Paper has info contacts at NREL, and comparison of PEM to alkaline.		*Diagram of system - [https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy19osti/70380.pdf]. Paper has info contacts at NREL, and comparison of PEM to alkaline.
	*alkaline electrolyzer stack - price not shown - [https://www.fuelcellstore.com/alkaline-water-electrolyzer-stack-20-cell#:~:text=The%20estimated%20lifetime%20for%20the,KOH%20for%20its%20efficient%20operation.]		*alkaline electrolyzer stack - price not shown - [https://www.fuelcellstore.com/alkaline-water-electrolyzer-stack-20-cell#:~:text=The%20estimated%20lifetime%20for%20the,KOH%20for%20its%20efficient%20operation.]
	*200 cc/min at 3-8 bar - $9k - [https://www.fuelcellstore.com/proton-onsite-hydrogen-energy-gas-solutions/hydrogen-generator-g200]. With 1440 minutes/day - or 0.3 cu meter per day.		*200 cc/min at 3-8 bar - $9k - [https://www.fuelcellstore.com/proton-onsite-hydrogen-energy-gas-solutions/hydrogen-generator-g200]. With 1440 minutes/day - or 0.3 cu meter per day [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=2500+cc%2Fmin+to+cu+m+%2Fday&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5].
	*1000 cc/min - $3280 - for 1000 ml/min - 1.4 cu meter/day. Alkaline, 4 bar. That is 130 grams of hydrogen per day. [https://www.fuelcellstore.com/hydrogen-equipment/laboratory-gas-generators/alkaline-hydrogen-generator-shc-1000]		*1000 cc/min - $3280 - for 1000 ml/min - 1.4 cu meter/day. Alkaline, 4 bar. That is 130 grams of hydrogen per day. [https://www.fuelcellstore.com/hydrogen-equipment/laboratory-gas-generators/alkaline-hydrogen-generator-shc-1000]
	**Redo the same - and 10x lower cost.		**Redo the same - and 10x lower cost.

Marcin: /* Hydrogen Generator */

2020-11-18T19:11:23Z

Hydrogen Generator

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	**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day. Or 290 grams per day.		**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day. Or 290 grams per day.
	*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.		*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
	*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is		*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.6 gal) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is
	*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]		*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]
	*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]		*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]

Marcin: /* Hydrogen Generator */

2020-10-08T15:08:47Z

Hydrogen Generator

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	**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day. Or 290 grams per day.		**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day. Or 290 grams per day.
	*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.		*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
			*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is
	*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]		*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]
	*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]		*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]