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	Big round thousand numbers are nice but you'll have to break up those costs or reference where those costs are broken up better. Also, stop using optimistic numbers when you can't guarantee them! Its insulting and dishonest. Transparency and openness only please.		Big round thousand numbers are nice but you'll have to break up those costs or reference where those costs are broken up better. Also, stop using optimistic numbers when you can't guarantee them! Its insulting and dishonest. Transparency and openness only please.
	===2 - Marcin ===		===2 - Marcin ===
	Documentation is scattered, I agree. But which numbers are optimistic? Empirical evidence shows that they are being met. In fact, [[The Liberator]] has far exceeded expectations, within the initial proposed cost structure of $3-5 turnkey product, and less for parts only. $3500-5500 is the initial release offer. We were aiming at 3-5 bricks per minute, and we are ending up with something that looks like 12-16 at the end of the day. See http://~~openfarmtech~~.org~~/weblog~~/?p=1259		Documentation is scattered, I agree. But which numbers are optimistic? Empirical evidence shows that they are being met. In fact, [[The Liberator]] has far exceeded expectations, within the initial proposed cost structure of $3-5 turnkey product, and less for parts only. $3500-5500 is the initial release offer. We were aiming at 3-5 bricks per minute, and we are ending up with something that looks like 12-16 at the end of the day. See http://blog.opensourceecology.org/?p=1259

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	The basic program is that you buy in, now we're considering $10k a pop - for a 1/2 acre lifetime lease at [[FeF]]. You are free to do what you want with your share.		The basic program is that you buy in, now we're considering $10k a pop - for a 1/2 acre lifetime lease at [[FeF]]. You are free to do what you want with your share.

	The contract is that you agree to participate actively in developing and improving the design and infrastructure of a replicable, post-scarcity community. This means a lifestyle of research and lifelong learning, where you must recognize that the village is not built yet. Think of it as a clear slate. And read [[The Unplugged]] by Vinay Gupta to see a fictional account quite similar to what we're proposing.		The contract is that you agree to participate actively in developing and improving the design and infrastructure of a replicable, post-scarcity community. This means a lifestyle of research and lifelong learning, where you must recognize that the village is not built yet. Think of it as a clear slate. And read [http://howtolivewiki.com/en/The_Unplugged The Unplugged] by Vinay Gupta to see a fictional account quite similar to what we're proposing.

	The role of the participants is to not only fund necessary developments through their acceptance fee, but to do development work - to create an infrastructure competitive with and superior to mainstream infrastructures. We do this simply by repackaging existing knowhow in the open framework of open source design. We can do this without compromising any human values, by taming technology towards true human service.		The role of the participants is to not only fund necessary developments through their acceptance fee, but to do development work - to create an infrastructure competitive with and superior to mainstream infrastructures. We do this simply by repackaging existing knowhow in the open framework of open source design. We can do this without compromising any human values, by taming technology towards true human service.

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			And what if meeting MAP isn't trivial? How will setbacks and emergencies be addressed in the community? How will initial start up be handled? Once the system is steady-state, I agree things should be easy, but the transient response in startup and during emergencies is the worrisome part. You need plans in place for those eventualities more than you need a plan for what to do with all your ample free-time once "the good life" has been reached. Let's hear some talk about expectations for startup on an individual level.
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	You desperately need a mechanical engineer, architect, , or someone well versed in structural engineering. Your building houses and a community here and you don't what them to fall down.		You desperately need a mechanical engineer, architect, , or someone well versed in structural engineering. Your building houses and a community here and you don't what them to fall down.

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			Architects are not "well versed" in any engineering. It isn't what they do. Civil engineers do building structure, soils, and waterways. Mechanical engineers deal with anything that moves (all your tools to date). Electrical engineers do electronics and a lot of automation control. Architects make things look good and pick out materials and dimensions based on customer desires and aesthetics. You desperately need engineers of all types but you could do without architects for a long, long time--though not indefinitely since looks do matter once things are functional.

			The comment about not wanting houses to fall down is critical. Have structure designs that are pre-designed so people aren't trying to build crazy stuff without a clue of the dangers or concerns involved. Also, incorporate some sort of quality control into that system so basic mistakes aren't made. People with experience creating documentation for all this stuff would be critical since once the system is designed and built, it must be replicated.
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	You desperately need a mechanical engineer, architect, , or someone well versed in structural engineering. Your building houses and a community here and you don't what them to fall down.		You desperately need a mechanical engineer, architect, , or someone well versed in structural engineering. Your building houses and a community here and you don't what them to fall down.







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	It's not that complicated, but you'll need a plan. This is a good place to talk about energy infrastructure and how much it is going to cost to build such a thing. Experiences with personal energy budgets, and a realistic and CONSERVATIVE energy usage scenario would also be appropriate here.		It's not that complicated, but you'll need a plan. This is a good place to talk about energy infrastructure and how much it is going to cost to build such a thing. Experiences with personal energy budgets, and a realistic and CONSERVATIVE energy usage scenario would also be appropriate here.

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			Less pictures on this slide and more information. This is one of the harder areas to master in a community because it can get so technically involved. Show me numbers, research, and systems. Also, consider some solar project that is proven like http://www.solarfire.org/ instead of trying to do new stuff with the fresnel design because it saves time, indicates a willingness to use other open source alternatives, and gives you more resources to do the new research that needs to be done.
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			More to the point but inline with the above comment; you need to have house designs that are tried, true, and tested. They need to be safe and turnkey. Most people are not qualified to design their own structure nor should they have to do that work. Talk not only about your plan for housing, but the plans for houses you already have ready to go that have been analyzed and found to be sound. Give people options that are agreeable and also safe and easy to build. The tools are great--fantastic job on the press by-the-by--and necessary but your documentation for the houses themselves needs to be in place so you can reference them directly.
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		Maybe get away from the tried and not-so-mainstream rhetoric about the "system" and the messed up government. I'm on-board with the idea of post-scarcity but I have no interest in your political ideologies. I'm a suburbanite with a degree and a committed relationship. I've experienced the commune lifestyle and most people I know--i.e. the majority of people with an education who live in or near a city--have no interest in this. Apply to their baser instincts to save money and do what they like. Live the ideology at the door.

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