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2026-01-07T23:47:29Z

Modern Cabin Concept - proposal 12/25

Goto: /* Modern Cabin Concept - proposal 12/25 */

2026-01-02T18:15:37Z

Modern Cabin Concept - proposal 12/25

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	=Modern Cabin Concept - proposal 12/25=		=Modern Cabin Concept - proposal 12/25=
	~~Modern Cabin Concept~~

	==Problem Statement==		==Problem Statement==

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2026-01-02T18:02:10Z

Irresistible Offer

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	*Assembly would require a certain amount of height, not sure if the RLF is tall enough to accomodate a fully built-out 8ft tall cabin on floor modules?		*Assembly would require a certain amount of height, not sure if the RLF is tall enough to accomodate a fully built-out 8ft tall cabin on floor modules?
	*If not, could assemble in Hangar or outside, then load onto trailers via telehandler		*If not, could assemble in Hangar or outside, then load onto trailers via telehandler
	*Alternatively, completed modules & materials could be shipped to the target ~~side~~ in a pickup or trailer and assembled on site		*Alternatively, completed modules & materials could be shipped to the target site in a pickup or trailer and assembled on site

	Materials budget		Materials budget

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2026-01-02T17:56:40Z

Irresistible Offer

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	It offers:		It offers:
	- Cheap, easy & quick way of establishing a small yet comfortable home anywhere, even off-grid		* Cheap, easy & quick way of establishing a small yet comfortable home anywhere, even off-grid
	- Flexible, affordable, and privacy-capable living quarters for students, workers, workshop participants, or similar		* Flexible, affordable, and privacy-capable living quarters for students, workers, workshop participants, or similar
	- Smaller scope workshop goal that is suitable for novice builders and small teams		* Smaller scope workshop goal that is suitable for novice builders and small teams
	- Introduction to the OSE building method with similar tools, materials, and techniques as are used by the Seed Eco Home		* Introduction to the OSE building method with similar tools, materials, and techniques as are used by the Seed Eco Home
	- Satisfying first "win" when apprentices build their own accomodations from scratch		* Satisfying first "win" when apprentices build their own accomodations from scratch

	In order to design, plan, and prototype the Modern Cabin Concept, I suggest a 6 month project collaboration to establish a Minimal Viable Product or v0.1 of the cabin.		In order to design, plan, and prototype the Modern Cabin Concept, I suggest a 6 month project collaboration to establish a Minimal Viable Product or v0.1 of the cabin.

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2026-01-02T17:54:48Z

Cost

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	This is all rough estimates for a 10x12 cabin. <$1,000 would be great, but seems unlikely at current prices. Maybe in the future with OSS materials from a sawmill etc.		This is all rough estimates for a 10x12 cabin. <$1,000 would be great, but seems unlikely at current prices. Maybe in the future with OSS materials from a sawmill etc.

	Walls
			'''Walls'''

	2x4s: $165		2x4s: $165

	OSB sheating: $175		OSB sheating: $175

	Insulation: $200		Insulation: $200

	House wrap: $44		House wrap: $44

	Metal siding: $630		Metal siding: $630

	Floor
			'''Floor'''

	2x4s: $45		2x4s: $45

	OSB sheating: $60		OSB sheating: $60

	Treated plywood: $200		Treated plywood: $200

	Insulation: $36		Insulation: $36

	Underlayment: $48		Underlayment: $48

	Vinyl flooring: $240		Vinyl flooring: $240

	Roof
			'''Roof'''

	2x4s (w/ strongbacks): $65		2x4s (w/ strongbacks): $65

	OSB sheating: $60		OSB sheating: $60

	Insulation: $36		Insulation: $36

	Metal roofing: $185		Metal roofing: $185



	Door: $265		Door: $265

	Window: $140		Window: $140


	Total: $2,594		'''Total: $2,594'''

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2026-01-02T17:52:27Z

Cost

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	==Cost==		==Cost==
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	This is all rough estimates for a 10x12 cabin. <$1,000 would be great, but seems unlikely at current prices. Maybe in the future with OSS materials from a sawmill etc.		This is all rough estimates for a 10x12 cabin. <$1,000 would be great, but seems unlikely at current prices. Maybe in the future with OSS materials from a sawmill etc.

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2026-01-02T17:49:36Z

Tools, Materials & Crew

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	Total material costs should be kept as low as reasonably possible, possibly as low as $2,000. In addition, keeping the total dimensions & weight of materials to one full-size pickup load or similar would be a significant factor, as it would allow to get all the required materials in a single trip to the hardware store.		Total material costs should be kept as low as reasonably possible, possibly as low as $2,000. In addition, keeping the total dimensions & weight of materials to one full-size pickup load or similar would be a significant factor, as it would allow to get all the required materials in a single trip to the hardware store.

	~~skilled people in a long weekend (~~In terms of crew, the Modern Cabin should be designed to be completed by a small group (2-3) of relatively ~~un3~~-4 days) of full-time work. This includes not just framing but also any rough-in systems and interior.		In terms of crew, the Modern Cabin should be designed to be completed by a small group (2-3) of relatively unskilled people in a long weekend (3-4 days) of full-time work. This includes not just framing but also any rough-in systems and interior.

	In short: grab a friend who owns some basic power tools, take one trip to the hardware store on a Friday afternoon, and complete your small home by Sunday evening.		In short: grab a friend who owns some basic power tools, take one trip to the hardware store on a Friday afternoon, and complete your small home by Sunday evening.

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2026-01-02T17:46:52Z

Tools, Materials & Crew

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	==Tools, Materials & Crew==		==Tools, Materials & Crew==

	In terms of tools, the Modern Cabin should be easy to build with only the most basic power tools. Ideally, nothing more than a drill, impact driver, and ~~cirular~~ saw. This would allow people to buy into the idea for ~$250 in total tool costs depending on brands & discounts, or by simply borrowing these common tools from friends & family.		In terms of tools, the Modern Cabin should be easy to build with only the most basic power tools. Ideally, nothing more than a drill, impact driver, and circular saw. This would allow people to buy into the idea for ~$250 in total tool costs depending on brands & discounts, or by simply borrowing these common tools from friends & family.

	Materials would be nearly identical to the SEH with structural lumber, OSB ~~sheating~~, and a similar style of floor modules and tapered roof trusses, all built as modules. 2x4 lumber could be used instead of the 2x6s in the SEH, since overall roof weight will be much lower and there are no plans to expand to a 2nd story (although a loft space might be explored for 1.5 floors). Insulation wise, either thinner layers of the same fiber glass insulation might be used, or sheets of foam insulation if the trade-off between increased cost & space savings (thinner walls in the much smaller structure) is considered worth it.		Materials would be nearly identical to the SEH with structural lumber, OSB sheathing, and a similar style of floor modules and tapered roof trusses, all built as modules. 2x4 lumber could be used instead of the 2x6s in the SEH, since overall roof weight will be much lower and there are no plans to expand to a 2nd story (although a loft space might be explored for 1.5 floors). Insulation wise, either thinner layers of the same fiber glass insulation might be used, or sheets of foam insulation if the trade-off between increased cost & space savings (thinner walls in the much smaller structure) is considered worth it.

	Height would be more modest than the SEH to simplify build & keep cost down by using e.g. 8' sheets of OSB or 8' lumber.		Height would be more modest than the SEH to simplify build & keep cost down by using e.g. 8' sheets of OSB or 8' lumber.

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2026-01-02T17:46:37Z

Potential Solution: The Modern Cabin Concept

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	==Potential Solution: The Modern Cabin Concept==		==Potential Solution: The Modern Cabin Concept==

	The idea of the Modern Cabin Concept is to use the same design & build techniques from the SEH for a much smaller,cabin-like structure. It would likely be similar in size to the prebuilt cabin kits, e.g. 10x12ft. But instead of the flimsy tongue-and-groove, the entire structure would be more sound and built-out with structural framing, sheathing, insulation, and possibly simple off-grid electrical or water systems.		The idea of the Modern Cabin Concept is to use the same design & build techniques from the SEH for a much smaller, cabin-like structure. It would likely be similar in size to the prebuilt cabin kits, e.g. 10x12ft. But instead of the flimsy tongue-and-groove, the entire structure would be more sound and built-out with structural framing, sheathing, insulation, and possibly simple off-grid electrical or water systems.

	In terms of rough-in systems, various options could be explored. Installing a small (12v?) electrical systems with 2 solar panels on the roof would be simple & cheap, and would likely suffice for most modest needs - after all, residents wouldn't be running stoves, ovens, washers, dryers, or, likely, even fridges in there. Solar panels, 12v LED lights and a cheap commercial power bank would likely be enough to light the structure at night, provide power to charge phones & laptops, and so on. These would likely total <$500 for the entire electrical systems, but even that could be considered optional for some cases.		In terms of rough-in systems, various options could be explored. Installing a small (12v?) electrical systems with 2 solar panels on the roof would be simple & cheap, and would likely suffice for most modest needs - after all, residents wouldn't be running stoves, ovens, washers, dryers, or, likely, even fridges in there. Solar panels, 12v LED lights and a cheap commercial power bank would likely be enough to light the structure at night, provide power to charge phones & laptops, and so on. These would likely total <$500 for the entire electrical systems, but even that could be considered optional for some cases.
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	Since installing the pipes is the cheap & easy part (compared to getting grid hook up), the Modern Cabins could be fitted with simple water inlet/drain pipe systems for later hook up. Or, they could simply be designed in a way that makes it easy to retrofit these later. For example, an easily accessible utility wall module. Again, this could be changed depending on the anticipated use-case.		Since installing the pipes is the cheap & easy part (compared to getting grid hook up), the Modern Cabins could be fitted with simple water inlet/drain pipe systems for later hook up. Or, they could simply be designed in a way that makes it easy to retrofit these later. For example, an easily accessible utility wall module. Again, this could be changed depending on the anticipated use-case.

	Finally, since the cabin size is very small, it could be transported in full on a trailer. In fact, a 40ft trailer that can ~~accomodate~~ 10ft in width might be able to hold up to 3 cabins at a time? These would be significantly easier to deliver in a completed state than the SEH.		Finally, since the cabin size is very small, it could be transported in full on a trailer. In fact, a 40ft trailer that can accommodate 10ft in width might be able to hold up to 3 cabins at a time? These would be significantly easier to deliver in a completed state than the SEH.


	==Tools, Materials & Crew==		==Tools, Materials & Crew==

Marcin: /* MJ Comments */

2026-01-02T02:08:18Z

MJ Comments

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	*What is the role of [[Quad Modules]] integration - is this about optimizing for integration of such modules so that the design/build is absolutely optimized?		*What is the role of [[Quad Modules]] integration - is this about optimizing for integration of such modules so that the design/build is absolutely optimized?
	*What is the goal for 6 months? First prototype? 3 prototypes? Beta release ready for early adopter sales? Turnkey product for one-click buy on a website? How far into the productization are we going in 6 monts?		*What is the goal for 6 months? First prototype? 3 prototypes? Beta release ready for early adopter sales? Turnkey product for one-click buy on a website? How far into the productization are we going in 6 monts?
	*Who is the team?		*Who is signing up for the team?
	*Is the OSE Cost here $1k/month stipend, plus materials?		*Is the OSE Cost here $1k/month stipend, plus materials?