Maysville Case - Revision history

Marcin: /* Aug 29, 2025 */

2025-08-29T18:12:09Z

Aug 29, 2025

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	Working doc - [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_E5bRuYbz45qhviEu9iCIxbLQK5qX6irspXSiTIb2C0/edit?tab=t.0]		Working doc with all development and Direct Script - [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_E5bRuYbz45qhviEu9iCIxbLQK5qX6irspXSiTIb2C0/edit?tab=t.0]

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Marcin: /* Thu Mar 21, 2024 */

2025-08-29T18:10:46Z

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			Working doc - [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_E5bRuYbz45qhviEu9iCIxbLQK5qX6irspXSiTIb2C0/edit?tab=t.0]

	=Thu Mar 21, 2024=		=Thu Mar 21, 2024=
	Clarity Points. No TRO obtained. Options?		Clarity Points. No TRO obtained. Options?

Marcin: /* Thu Mar 21, 2024 */

2024-03-22T11:49:41Z

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+Clarity Points. No TRO obtained. Options?
 =Monday Mar 18, 2024=

Catarina: /* Thu Mar 21, 2024 */

2024-03-21T19:13:41Z

Thu Mar 21, 2024

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	*Controversy points - ambiguity on SW corner or corners not verified; ambiguity on finality of surveyor-marked line; ambiguity on technical correctness of surveyor - what is their guaranteed accuracy in +-? so they don't mess with the actual validity of line. It seems that adverse possession+barbed wire location different than survey+potential tampering + insistence on Midland spell trouble. Are we just seeing confusion-introduction tactics?		*Controversy points - ambiguity on SW corner or corners not verified; ambiguity on finality of surveyor-marked line; ambiguity on technical correctness of surveyor - what is their guaranteed accuracy in +-? so they don't mess with the actual validity of line. It seems that adverse possession+barbed wire location different than survey+potential tampering + insistence on Midland spell trouble. Are we just seeing confusion-introduction tactics?
	*Cost clarity - what are the total billed hours and costs at this point?		*Cost clarity - what are the total billed hours and costs at this point?
			*Group survey as one topic, then tree assess as the second

	=Monday Mar 18, 2024=		=Monday Mar 18, 2024=

Catarina: /* Thu Mar 21, 2024 */

2024-03-21T19:11:52Z

Thu Mar 21, 2024

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	*Seth - SW corner is 120" inset from the barbed wire fence. Do we want to claim adverse possession there?		*Seth - SW corner is 120" inset from the barbed wire fence. Do we want to claim adverse possession there?
	*Surveyor Clarity - Do we need to verify markers? Is this a temporary interim boundary, or the permanenent line that the final settlement or adjudication respects?		*Surveyor Clarity - Do we need to verify markers? Is this a temporary interim boundary, or the permanenent line that the final settlement or adjudication respects?
			**Cost of surveyor
			**Can i talk to him?
			**Surveyor marking holes?
	*Treeline clarity - '''what are the rules governing trees a part on our side'''. if any part of the trunk on ground is on us, are they allowed to touch it? Can this be controversial if it is +- 1" of trunk, given ambiguity of actual boundary? What happens when 1" is on our side, going vertically up? Are they allowed to take it down only with chainsaw, or excavator, which takes out uncontrollable h		*Treeline clarity - '''what are the rules governing trees a part on our side'''. if any part of the trunk on ground is on us, are they allowed to touch it? Can this be controversial if it is +- 1" of trunk, given ambiguity of actual boundary? What happens when 1" is on our side, going vertically up? Are they allowed to take it down only with chainsaw, or excavator, which takes out uncontrollable h
	*SW Corner clarity - tell Seth what I observed. how much was it tampered? Inch or 2 may be ok, foot or 2 is probably not. If so, does this affect the Surveyor's work?		*SW Corner clarity - tell Seth what I observed. how much was it tampered? Inch or 2 may be ok, foot or 2 is probably not. If so, does this affect the Surveyor's work?

Catarina: /* Thu Mar 21, 2024 */

2024-03-21T18:54:42Z

Thu Mar 21, 2024

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	*Seth - SW corner is 120" inset from the barbed wire fence. Do we want to claim adverse possession there?		*Seth - SW corner is 120" inset from the barbed wire fence. Do we want to claim adverse possession there?
	*Surveyor Clarity - Do we need to verify markers? Is this a temporary interim boundary, or the permanenent line that the final settlement or adjudication respects?		*Surveyor Clarity - Do we need to verify markers? Is this a temporary interim boundary, or the permanenent line that the final settlement or adjudication respects?
	*Treeline clarity - if any part of the trunk on ground is on us, are they allowed to touch it? Can this be controversial if it is +- 1" of trunk, given ambiguity of actual boundary? What happens when 1" is on our side, going vertically up? Are they allowed to take it down only with chainsaw, or excavator, which takes out uncontrollable h		*Treeline clarity - '''what are the rules governing trees a part on our side'''. if any part of the trunk on ground is on us, are they allowed to touch it? Can this be controversial if it is +- 1" of trunk, given ambiguity of actual boundary? What happens when 1" is on our side, going vertically up? Are they allowed to take it down only with chainsaw, or excavator, which takes out uncontrollable h
	*SW Corner clarity - how much was it tampered? Inch or 2 may be ok, foot or 2 is probably not. If so, does this affect the Surveyor's work?		*SW Corner clarity - tell Seth what I observed. how much was it tampered? Inch or 2 may be ok, foot or 2 is probably not. If so, does this affect the Surveyor's work?
	*Valuation method - which method does the judge use? It does not seem to be Reproduction Cost or Trunk Method, so therefore what is it?		*Valuation method - which method does the judge use? It does not seem to be Reproduction Cost or Trunk Method, so therefore what is it?
	**Tree Value Clarity - will the judge award actual value, or are there conditions under which they will not? Clearly there are conditions such as if another form of value assessment is valid - such as timber is only $2k/acre for a plantation. Which assessment will the judge likely proceed on? How do 'landscape' vs 'shadetree' vs 'aesthetic value' play in this?		**Tree Value Clarity - will the judge award actual value, or are there conditions under which they will not? Clearly there are conditions such as if another form of value assessment is valid - such as timber is only $2k/acre for a plantation. Which assessment will the judge likely proceed on? How do 'landscape' vs 'shadetree' vs 'aesthetic value' play in this?

Catarina: /* Thu Mar 21, 2024 */

2024-03-21T18:50:00Z

Thu Mar 21, 2024

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	*Seth - SW corner is 120" inset from the barbed wire fence. Do we want to claim adverse possession there?		*Seth - SW corner is 120" inset from the barbed wire fence. Do we want to claim adverse possession there?
	*Surveyor Clarity - ~~are the~~ markers ~~being verified, or just marked assuming existing pins? What will the surveyor be doing? Putting in stakes at 100'~~? Is this a temporary interim boundary, or the permanenent line that the final settlement respects?		*Surveyor Clarity - Do we need to verify markers? Is this a temporary interim boundary, or the permanenent line that the final settlement or adjudication respects?
	*Treeline clarity - if any part of the trunk on ground is on us, are they allowed to touch it? Can this be controversial if it is +- 1" of trunk, given ambiguity of actual boundary? What happens when 1" is on our side, going vertically up? Are they allowed to take it down only with chainsaw, or excavator, which takes out uncontrollable h		*Treeline clarity - if any part of the trunk on ground is on us, are they allowed to touch it? Can this be controversial if it is +- 1" of trunk, given ambiguity of actual boundary? What happens when 1" is on our side, going vertically up? Are they allowed to take it down only with chainsaw, or excavator, which takes out uncontrollable h
	*SW Corner clarity - how much was it tampered? Inch or 2 may be ok, foot or 2 is probably not. If so, does this affect the Surveyor's work?		*SW Corner clarity - how much was it tampered? Inch or 2 may be ok, foot or 2 is probably not. If so, does this affect the Surveyor's work?

Marcin: /* Thu Mar 21, 2024 */

2024-03-21T18:10:26Z

Thu Mar 21, 2024

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	*Tree value research - i would be inclined to do it. Whole case depends on this - and me being on top of it with an unambiguous answer (which can be a range) will help me.		*Tree value research - i would be inclined to do it. Whole case depends on this - and me being on top of it with an unambiguous answer (which can be a range) will help me.
	**Can you give me your contacts of tree trimmers?		**Can you give me your contacts of tree trimmers?
	**Solution: nationwide ~~tests~~.		**Solution: nationwide reaching out until some clarity is gained outside of wild guess.
	*Driveway clarity - do we want to pursue with Kyle Carroll for proceeding on their side?		*Driveway clarity - do we want to pursue with Kyle Carroll for proceeding on their side?
	*Cost clarity - what are the total billed hours and costs at this point?
	*Eliminating the stress - the process is full of unknowns, which to ignore and which are relevant?		*Eliminating the stress - the process is full of unknowns, which to ignore and which are relevant?
	*Controversy points - ambiguity on SW corner or corners not verified; ambiguity on finality of surveyor-marked line; ambiguity on technical correctness of surveyor - what is their guaranteed accuracy in +-? so they don't mess with the actual validity of line. It seems that adverse possession+barbed wire location different than survey+potential tampering + insistence on Midland spell trouble. Are we just seeing confusion-introduction tactics?		*Controversy points - ambiguity on SW corner or corners not verified; ambiguity on finality of surveyor-marked line; ambiguity on technical correctness of surveyor - what is their guaranteed accuracy in +-? so they don't mess with the actual validity of line. It seems that adverse possession+barbed wire location different than survey+potential tampering + insistence on Midland spell trouble. Are we just seeing confusion-introduction tactics?
			*Cost clarity - what are the total billed hours and costs at this point?

	=Monday Mar 18, 2024=		=Monday Mar 18, 2024=

Marcin: /* Thu Mar 21, 2024 */

2024-03-21T17:45:25Z

Thu Mar 21, 2024

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	**Tree Value Clarity - will the judge award actual value, or are there conditions under which they will not? Clearly there are conditions such as if another form of value assessment is valid - such as timber is only $2k/acre for a plantation. Which assessment will the judge likely proceed on? How do 'landscape' vs 'shadetree' vs 'aesthetic value' play in this?		**Tree Value Clarity - will the judge award actual value, or are there conditions under which they will not? Clearly there are conditions such as if another form of value assessment is valid - such as timber is only $2k/acre for a plantation. Which assessment will the judge likely proceed on? How do 'landscape' vs 'shadetree' vs 'aesthetic value' play in this?
	*Tree value research - i would be inclined to do it. Whole case depends on this - and me being on top of it with an unambiguous answer (which can be a range) will help me.		*Tree value research - i would be inclined to do it. Whole case depends on this - and me being on top of it with an unambiguous answer (which can be a range) will help me.
			**Can you give me your contacts of tree trimmers?
			**Solution: nationwide tests.
	*Driveway clarity - do we want to pursue with Kyle Carroll for proceeding on their side?		*Driveway clarity - do we want to pursue with Kyle Carroll for proceeding on their side?
	*Cost clarity - what are the total billed hours and costs at this point?		*Cost clarity - what are the total billed hours and costs at this point?

Marcin: /* Thu Mar 21, 2024 */

2024-03-21T17:44:39Z

Thu Mar 21, 2024

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	*Cost clarity - what are the total billed hours and costs at this point?		*Cost clarity - what are the total billed hours and costs at this point?
	*Eliminating the stress - the process is full of unknowns, which to ignore and which are relevant?		*Eliminating the stress - the process is full of unknowns, which to ignore and which are relevant?
	*Controversy points - ambiguity on SW corner or corners not verified; ambiguity on finality of surveyor-marked line; ambiguity on technical correctness of surveyor - what is their guaranteed accuracy in +-?		*Controversy points - ambiguity on SW corner or corners not verified; ambiguity on finality of surveyor-marked line; ambiguity on technical correctness of surveyor - what is their guaranteed accuracy in +-? so they don't mess with the actual validity of line. It seems that adverse possession+barbed wire location different than survey+potential tampering + insistence on Midland spell trouble. Are we just seeing confusion-introduction tactics?

	=Monday Mar 18, 2024=		=Monday Mar 18, 2024=