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		<title>WikiSysop at 14:41, 15 September 2008</title>
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		<title>WikiSysop: New page: Rick Thomas &lt;rick@wirecomms.com&gt; reply-to	rick@wirecomms.com to	joseph.dolittle@gmail.com date	Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:00 PM subject	Your Solar Generator, a few thoughts. 	 hide details Sep ...</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;New page: Rick Thomas &amp;lt;rick@wirecomms.com&amp;gt; reply-to	rick@wirecomms.com to	joseph.dolittle@gmail.com date	Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:00 PM subject	Your Solar Generator, a few thoughts. 	 hide details Sep ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Rick Thomas &amp;lt;rick@wirecomms.com&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
reply-to	rick@wirecomms.com&lt;br /&gt;
to	joseph.dolittle@gmail.com&lt;br /&gt;
date	Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:00 PM&lt;br /&gt;
subject	Your Solar Generator, a few thoughts.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi I recently came across your site. Your ideas on solar power generation&lt;br /&gt;
closely match mine.&lt;br /&gt;
In the near future (I hope) I will be moving to the East coast of Spain. I&lt;br /&gt;
therefore thought that a solar generator&lt;br /&gt;
would be economically viable (Not so in the UK).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My idea is to build a Compact Linear Fresnel Reflector array. About 20&lt;br /&gt;
square meters in&lt;br /&gt;
size (total size depends on power needed).&lt;br /&gt;
Using this to generate steam to power a small steam engine coupled to a&lt;br /&gt;
generator, any power that we&lt;br /&gt;
don&amp;#039;t use will be sold back to the Grid generating extra income. Waste heat&lt;br /&gt;
will be used to heat the&lt;br /&gt;
house and pool in winter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Building the array will be simple, however doing something useful with all&lt;br /&gt;
the heat generated is a&lt;br /&gt;
little more tricky (for me at least).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here are my first thoughts...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Use oil in the primary collector loop, this will reduce the need for high&lt;br /&gt;
pressure pipes to be used.&lt;br /&gt;
As a guess the temperature of the oil will go up to between 400 to 600 C&lt;br /&gt;
depending on the mirror&lt;br /&gt;
area and the amount of insulation I use.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe use a thermal store, i.e. a BIG block of insulated concrete.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Use a heat exchanger built into the boiler to generate the steam.&lt;br /&gt;
Use a steam engine, in particular one of these&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greensteamengine.com/index.html coupled to&lt;br /&gt;
an alternator to generate the electricity.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The above is just the bare bones idea. Obviously it will need filling out.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The main idea came from the reading about the Liddell site in Australia&lt;br /&gt;
See http://solarheatpower.veritel.com.au/mainmenu.html go to projects. The&lt;br /&gt;
research section is interesting as well.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I built a small unit, about 1 meter square (6 mirror rows) this summer to&lt;br /&gt;
experiment with the concept and play with the tracking System. I used a&lt;br /&gt;
satellite actuator to provide the motive power, it worked well at 12V,&lt;br /&gt;
plenty of torque.&lt;br /&gt;
I started by using a LDR based tracker, although it worked, it didn&amp;#039;t seem&lt;br /&gt;
to be sensitive enough. I then played with&lt;br /&gt;
a green LED based tracker, much more sensitive it tracked perfectly, almost&lt;br /&gt;
too sensitive.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I also came up with a way of individually adjusting each mirror row so that&lt;br /&gt;
one actuator would move them all in sync,&lt;br /&gt;
unfortunately I didn&amp;#039;t take any photos of it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Anyway, enough about my ideas.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My thoughts..&lt;br /&gt;
Using oil in the collector probably works out cheaper than installing&lt;br /&gt;
pressure pipe.&lt;br /&gt;
A steam engine rather than a turbine, as you don&amp;#039;t have to gear it down and&lt;br /&gt;
it has higher torque. Probably easier to regulate the speed as well.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
All the best with your project, I hope it all goes to plan and to budget&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;Grin&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
By the way, have you seen this stuff..&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.reflectechsolar.com/pricing.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rick..&lt;br /&gt;
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