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		<title>Marcin at 20:51, 10 February 2019</title>
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l5&quot;&gt;Line 5:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;We would need more hydrogen storage to be able to do this. With an investement of $3000, we can get the hydrogen production up to 1 hour of storage for practical Seed Eco-Home operation.&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;We would need more hydrogen storage to be able to do this. With an investement of $3000, we can get the hydrogen production up to 1 hour of storage for practical Seed Eco-Home operation.&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*[[High Purity Hydrogen Geneator]] indicated $2k for 3000 ml/min. This would get us 1.5 hours of useful power. If we spend $4k, that would be 3 hours of useful power.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*[[High Purity Hydrogen Geneator]] indicated $2k for 3000 ml/min. This would get us 1.5 hours of useful power. If we spend $4k, that would be 3 hours of useful power.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Far cry from alkaline hydrogen generators, which may be the way to go initially, with the proper purification and drying infrastructure. Definetely worth it, based on its $1k electrolyzer cost as in the [[Solar Hydrogen Chronicles]] - &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;where &lt;/del&gt;the system &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;produced 1&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Far cry from alkaline hydrogen generators, which may be the way to go initially, with the proper purification and drying infrastructure. Definetely worth it, based on its $1k electrolyzer cost as in the [[Solar Hydrogen Chronicles]]&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;. LE Spicer&amp;#039;s system reportedly produces 1/2 cubic foot of gas per hour per cell, and cells are $100 each. 10 cells thus produce 140 liters per hour. Also from Walt Pyle &lt;/ins&gt;- &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;6 hours to get one cubic meter with 1000W of solar. Thus the figures agree. 1000 l is about 100 grams of hydrogen, which is respectable for night time power - producing about 1.5 hours of night time power (if needed)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*Bottom line is designing a system for superefficiency, so that a trickle of power is sufficient.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*For &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;ecological aspects, growing biomass or producing methan is a great idea, too. The safest, easiest route is charcoal when complexity is considered and one is inclined to look under the hood.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*These are all prototype systems, so that an alkaline electrolyzer &lt;/ins&gt;system &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;could be completely practical and doable with today&amp;#039;s technology. It&amp;#039;s a worthwhile design challenge.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*If ecology is considered AND efficiency is considered, it appears that saturated water may be the winner. We still use similar technology - propane tanks.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Marcin</name></author>
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		<title>Marcin at 20:32, 10 February 2019</title>
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		<updated>2019-02-10T20:32:01Z</updated>

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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot;&gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*General energy equivalence is 1 kg of hydrogen equals 1 gallon of gasoline&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*General energy equivalence is 1 kg of hydrogen equals 1 gallon of gasoline&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*So for example, you can run your [[Honda EU1000] for 16/250 hours or about 4 minutes of run time. Not too bad. If we have an even smaller engine, we could potentially get 16 minutes of run time at a minumum practical storage value for night time storage. The Seed Eco-Home uses 300W of night time backup power.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*So for example, you can run your [[Honda EU1000] for 16/250 hours or about 4 minutes of run time. Not too bad. If we have an even smaller engine, we could potentially get 16 minutes of run time at a minumum practical storage value for night time storage. The Seed Eco-Home uses 300W of night time backup power.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*We would need more hydrogen storage to be able to do this. With an investement of $3000, we can get the hydrogen production up to 1 hour of storage for practical Seed Eco-Home operation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;&lt;/ins&gt;We would need more hydrogen storage to be able to do this. With an investement of $3000, we can get the hydrogen production up to 1 hour of storage for practical Seed Eco-Home operation.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*[[High Purity Hydrogen Geneator]] indicated $2k for 3000 ml/min. This would get us 1.5 hours of useful power. If we spend $4k, that would be 3 hours of useful power.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*Far cry from alkaline hydrogen generators, which may be the way to go initially, with the proper purification and drying infrastructure. Definetely worth it, based on its $1k electrolyzer cost as in the [[Solar Hydrogen Chronicles]] - where the system produced 1&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Marcin: Created page with &quot;*45 gallons per day from a commercial high purity generator - see High Purity Hydrogen Generator. *1 mole of h2 is 2 grams, and 22.4l. We 45 gallons (160 liters) is 8 mole...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;*45 gallons per day from a commercial high purity generator - see &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/High_Purity_Hydrogen_Generator&quot; title=&quot;High Purity Hydrogen Generator&quot;&gt;High Purity Hydrogen Generator&lt;/a&gt;. *1 mole of h2 is 2 grams, and 22.4l. We 45 gallons (160 liters) is 8 mole...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;*45 gallons per day from a commercial high purity generator - see [[High Purity Hydrogen Generator]].&lt;br /&gt;
*1 mole of h2 is 2 grams, and 22.4l. We 45 gallons (160 liters) is 8 moles, or 16 grams of hydrogen.&lt;br /&gt;
*General energy equivalence is 1 kg of hydrogen equals 1 gallon of gasoline&lt;br /&gt;
*So for example, you can run your [[Honda EU1000] for 16/250 hours or about 4 minutes of run time. Not too bad. If we have an even smaller engine, we could potentially get 16 minutes of run time at a minumum practical storage value for night time storage. The Seed Eco-Home uses 300W of night time backup power.&lt;br /&gt;
*We would need more hydrogen storage to be able to do this. With an investement of $3000, we can get the hydrogen production up to 1 hour of storage for practical Seed Eco-Home operation.&lt;br /&gt;
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