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		<title>Eric: Signed My Edit After Forgetting to do So</title>
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		<updated>2024-03-07T01:58:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Signed My Edit After Forgetting to do So&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Eric</name></author>
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		<title>Eric: Added some more information</title>
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		<updated>2024-03-07T01:57:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Added some more information&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I just wanted to jot all this down, and share what i have learned in the short bit i have been in the industry (ESPECIALLY that one large commercial renovation job!).  I&amp;#039;d love to hear what any other people on-wiki know about / have seen along these lines.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I just wanted to jot all this down, and share what i have learned in the short bit i have been in the industry (ESPECIALLY that one large commercial renovation job!).  I&amp;#039;d love to hear what any other people on-wiki know about / have seen along these lines.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;(Also link i found in looking for people discussing this: https://www.drywalltalk.com/threads/carpender-or-a-drywaller.3853/ )&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Eric</name></author>
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		<title>Eric: Added some thoughts of mine</title>
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		<updated>2024-03-07T01:46:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Added some thoughts of mine&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;A Jobsite i was at, and which the non-electricians i saw really had a flow going and quality work&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; (also all by one company, the benefits/downsides of [[Vertical Integration]] and so on not relevant for &amp;#039;&amp;#039;this&amp;#039;&amp;#039; rant) &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;had the following system:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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*Electricians&lt;br /&gt;
**PV installer and Garage Door Installer could probably be merged into this with the right training (of course if not using [[Subcontractors]] and all the aforementioned vertical integration rant)&lt;br /&gt;
*Plumbers&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;quot;General Construction&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
**These workers did the Renovation Demolition, Framing, (worked around and waited for Electrical+Plumbing+HVAC then) Added [[Fiberglass Batting Insulation]] , Screwed the Drywall Down, and handled misc other tasks (Putting down [[Temporary Floor Protection Materials]] ( [[Ram Board]] etc), taking measurements, moving materials around, etc)&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;quot;Finishers&amp;quot; which were the Following Roles Mixed Together:&lt;br /&gt;
**&amp;quot;Drywall Finisher&amp;quot; - after the general construction workers screwed down the drywall, the finishers came in and went up all the [[Drywall Finish Levels]] (i don&amp;#039;t remember if the closet-office area was lower, like a 3 or so, but otherwise was probably 4-5 so i saw all the &amp;quot;steps&amp;quot; )&lt;br /&gt;
**Finish carpenter (Added [[Millwork]] etc)&lt;br /&gt;
**Painter - stain, paint&lt;br /&gt;
**Flooring/Carpet Installer (this *might* have been another company for one part where they brought in the materials? but nearly all of the prep/cleanup was done by the same crew&lt;br /&gt;
***It was [[Glue Down Carpet]] ,  i need to dig in photos to find the brands of all the stuff&lt;br /&gt;
***Also unsure on the name, but it is that &amp;quot;High Traffic Low Pile Carpet&amp;quot; type stuff&lt;br /&gt;
***Also had some sort of spongy [[Carpet Padding]] / [[Carpet Cushion]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Otherwise everything sounds about right&lt;br /&gt;
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We had 1-2 Build Managers.  They also double as &amp;quot;Safety Snob&amp;quot; (for lack of a better word, safety inspector or industrial hygienist maybe?  Basically the &amp;quot;making sure everyone goes home alright, and with the same amount of fingers/toes&amp;quot; role)&lt;br /&gt;
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 It probably depends on the size of the Jobsite of course, but i personally feel two was nice as one could manage Phone Calls / Dealing with any messes (Materials Not Arriving on Time, [[Change Orders]] ,  [[Access Control]] etc), while the other could consult worker&amp;#039;s questions and all that.  Also redundancy for bathroom breaks (because of course the moment they walk out is when the mess starts lol, talk about [[Murphy&amp;#039;s Law]] !&lt;br /&gt;
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If a site is going to have people who have different native languages and/or some people are not Bilingual (assuming there are only two nativelangs!) i think a &amp;quot;Translator&amp;quot; sub-specialty would be good to have documented.  ESPECIALLY if doing the [[Hard Hat Color Code System]] / something similar with shirts or whatever.  Basically Crew A needs Crew B to do something that Charades can&amp;#039;t convey, you look for the person, they walk over and can translate.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The jobsite i was on had a bunch of spanish speaking people, although most were at least partially bilingual.  Granted i can do &amp;#039;&amp;#039;survivable&amp;#039;&amp;#039; amounts of Spanish myself, and would try and use it if it was one of the days where there weren&amp;#039;t that many Bilingual people there that day.  Also after the first week or so of the multi-month project i knew who to look for and grab, but i think especially on larger jobs this could be a nice feature.  Also even from a cold calculated standpoint can reduce some &amp;quot;time wastage&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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I just wanted to jot all this down, and share what i have learned in the short bit i have been in the industry (ESPECIALLY that one large commercial renovation job!).  I&amp;#039;d love to hear what any other people on-wiki know about / have seen along these lines.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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