Talk:Aluminum Extraction From Clays - Revision history

ERos at 15:47, 12 June 2012

2012-06-12T15:47:23Z

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	The patent is dealing with the extraction of an aluminum compound, not aluminum metal.		The patent is dealing with the extraction of an aluminum compound, not aluminum metal.

			But pure alumina Al2O3 is key material to feed cells. Patent is important. Also other alumina from clays are important because bauxite (low silicon clay) are rare and expensive. For 99% sure we need produce our alumina from clays, using acid or alkaline process.

			Currenty "alumium_from_clays" page don't tell anything usable how get alumina/alumium from clays. Please fix it. Other alumium links currently on page can be moved new "alumium_general" (or "alumium_useless_data" ;) etc. pages.

	== acid ==		== acid ==

	was it hydrochloric or hydrofluoric? i thought i remember flouride beinging involved in the process.		was it hydrochloric or hydrofluoric? i thought i remember flouride beinging involved in the process.
	:Hydrofluoric acid		:Hydrofluoric acid.

			Some alumina from clays process use HCl. Alumium cells use some fluorine to lower melting point. Please don't distub pages, few google search give needed data - no need to ask here.

	==Concept for combined soil remediation/ aluminium manufacturing==		==Concept for combined soil remediation/ aluminium manufacturing==
	If we had a cheap, open-source way of extracting aluminium from soils, it might have potential in areas where aluminium toxicity has made soils unusable. People could extract aluminium and sell it while simultaneously remediating their farmland. That helps food security in two ways: more money to buy food and more soil to grow it. These soils can have aluminium levels of 50mg/kg, so the extraction should work better than elsewhere.<br>The exciting thing is that the greatest opportunity is in the same place as the greatest need; there are 4.3 million km<sup>2</sup> affected in sub-Saharan Africa [http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y6831e/y6831e-10.htm]. There could be huge potential for development here.		If we had a cheap, open-source way of extracting aluminium from soils, it might have potential in areas where aluminium toxicity has made soils unusable. People could extract aluminium and sell it while simultaneously remediating their farmland. That helps food security in two ways: more money to buy food and more soil to grow it. These soils can have aluminium levels of 50mg/kg, so the extraction should work better than elsewhere.<br>The exciting thing is that the greatest opportunity is in the same place as the greatest need; there are 4.3 million km<sup>2</sup> affected in sub-Saharan Africa [http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y6831e/y6831e-10.htm]. There could be huge potential for development here.

			Good idea, but usable. Typical clays have 10-20% alumium. Clays can be used for alumium source. This page should tell how to get alumium from clays, other pages maybe how make farmland beter.

	==Bioaccumulators==		==Bioaccumulators==
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	:IMHO, better to use fungi or bacteria for such tasks. Also see [[Biomining]] page. [http://www.academicjournals.org/AJB/PDF/pdf2007/4Jun/Ghorbani%20et%20al.pdf Related paper here] --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 12:26, 18 March 2011 (PDT)		:IMHO, better to use fungi or bacteria for such tasks. Also see [[Biomining]] page. [http://www.academicjournals.org/AJB/PDF/pdf2007/4Jun/Ghorbani%20et%20al.pdf Related paper here] --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 12:26, 18 March 2011 (PDT)

			Blah, clays have 10-20% alumium. Plant etc alumium concentration <1%. Plants can give carbon to use electrodes, but it is other story, maybe in future page how OSE alumium cell should construct.

Rasmus at 19:26, 18 March 2011

2011-03-18T19:26:05Z

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	==Bioaccumulators==		==Bioaccumulators==
	Tea accumulates aluminium from soil; might be a good first step in concentrating the aluminium before the chemical extraction. [http://www.eplantscience.com/botanical_biotechnology_biology_chemistry/plant_nutrition/beneficial_elements/aluminum/aluminum_accumulating_plants.php]		Tea accumulates aluminium from soil; might be a good first step in concentrating the aluminium before the chemical extraction. [http://www.eplantscience.com/botanical_biotechnology_biology_chemistry/plant_nutrition/beneficial_elements/aluminum/aluminum_accumulating_plants.php]

			:IMHO, better to use fungi or bacteria for such tasks. Also see [[Biomining]] page. [http://www.academicjournals.org/AJB/PDF/pdf2007/4Jun/Ghorbani%20et%20al.pdf Related paper here] --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 12:26, 18 March 2011 (PDT)

Conor at 17:34, 18 March 2011

2011-03-18T17:34:37Z

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	was it hydrochloric or hydrofluoric? i thought i remember flouride beinging involved in the process.		was it hydrochloric or hydrofluoric? i thought i remember flouride beinging involved in the process.
	:Hydrofluoric acid		:Hydrofluoric acid


	==Concept for combined soil remediation/ aluminium manufacturing==		==Concept for combined soil remediation/ aluminium manufacturing==
	If we had a cheap, open-source way of extracting aluminium from soils, it might have potential in areas where aluminium toxicity has made soils unusable. People could extract aluminium and sell it while simultaneously remediating their farmland. That helps food security in two ways: more money to buy food and more soil to grow it. These soils can have aluminium levels of 50mg/kg, so the extraction should work better than elsewhere.<br>The exciting thing is that the greatest opportunity is in the same place as the greatest need; there are 4.3 million km<sup>2</sup> affected in sub-Saharan Africa [http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y6831e/y6831e-10.htm]. There could be huge potential for development here.		If we had a cheap, open-source way of extracting aluminium from soils, it might have potential in areas where aluminium toxicity has made soils unusable. People could extract aluminium and sell it while simultaneously remediating their farmland. That helps food security in two ways: more money to buy food and more soil to grow it. These soils can have aluminium levels of 50mg/kg, so the extraction should work better than elsewhere.<br>The exciting thing is that the greatest opportunity is in the same place as the greatest need; there are 4.3 million km<sup>2</sup> affected in sub-Saharan Africa [http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y6831e/y6831e-10.htm]. There could be huge potential for development here.

			==Bioaccumulators==
			Tea accumulates aluminium from soil; might be a good first step in concentrating the aluminium before the chemical extraction. [http://www.eplantscience.com/botanical_biotechnology_biology_chemistry/plant_nutrition/beneficial_elements/aluminum/aluminum_accumulating_plants.php]

Conor at 21:40, 28 February 2011

2011-02-28T21:40:59Z

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	== acid ==		== acid ==

	was it ~~hydrachloric~~ or ~~hydraflouric~~? i thought i remember flouride beinging involved in the process.		was it hydrochloric or hydrofluoric? i thought i remember flouride beinging involved in the process.
			:Hydrofluoric acid


			==Concept for combined soil remediation/ aluminium manufacturing==
			If we had a cheap, open-source way of extracting aluminium from soils, it might have potential in areas where aluminium toxicity has made soils unusable. People could extract aluminium and sell it while simultaneously remediating their farmland. That helps food security in two ways: more money to buy food and more soil to grow it. These soils can have aluminium levels of 50mg/kg, so the extraction should work better than elsewhere.<br>The exciting thing is that the greatest opportunity is in the same place as the greatest need; there are 4.3 million km<sup>2</sup> affected in sub-Saharan Africa [http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y6831e/y6831e-10.htm]. There could be huge potential for development here.

Dorkmo: /* acid */ new section

2011-01-20T18:54:48Z

acid: new section

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	The patent is dealing with the extraction of an aluminum compound, not aluminum metal.		The patent is dealing with the extraction of an aluminum compound, not aluminum metal.

			== acid ==

			was it hydrachloric or hydraflouric? i thought i remember flouride beinging involved in the process.

Gyrogearlose: New page: The patent is dealing with the extraction of an aluminum compound, not aluminum metal.

2008-11-22T05:49:07Z

New page: The patent is dealing with the extraction of an aluminum compound, not aluminum metal.

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The patent is dealing with the extraction of an aluminum compound, not aluminum metal.