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		<title>Eric: Added some thoughts of mine</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Added some thoughts of mine&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;One bit i saw skimming, “ Guns, Germs, and Steel — Jared Diamond” that book ignores the role that getting rival tribes to attack the main one, [[Divide and Rule]] and all that played.&lt;br /&gt;
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While technology, and mass die offs due to disease DEFINITELY PLAYED A ROLE, especially in Tropical Disease ridded areas, and heavy forests/swamps/mountainous regions (where “conventional warfare” that does great in plains/deserts) there wasn’t some “silver bullet” for getting past that + the defender’s advantage etc&lt;br /&gt;
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It’s a whole rant, i’ll dig for a good videoessay/writeup etc, but all i remember is my Anthropologist background sister had a rant on all that, then i did a BIT of digging (although Mesoamerican History is HUGE so i have barely scratched the surface, but yeah)  and yeah.&lt;br /&gt;
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The other aspects of this page are fine and whatnot, but short of maybe if read very critically (ie not “this is heretical BURN DA BOOK” which in jo way i mean, but “this is one position to look at this issue, but it is a bit lacking and your goal tonight is to read up on that”; although I concede that may not be the most efficient way of going about teaching stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
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In terms of not bringing up problems without solutions, i think teaching why societies fail/empires fail, how to prevent that, and [[Scarcity]] / Imperialism+Fascism / “ [[Nature Abhors a Vacuum, People Abhor Oppression]] ” ,  Ecological Services + fucking over the environment being a role etc.  i think teaching that angle may be a bit productive than history as a whole.  History is definitely important, but the “applied why” boils down to that for the most part.&lt;br /&gt;
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I’ll refine this sometime later, but yeah just figured i’d raise that concern/bit of info,  thanks!&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Eric|Eric]] ([[User talk:Eric|talk]]) 01:11, 12 January 2026 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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