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Rasmus at 14:04, 12 March 2011

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	::It seems like ferrocement binishells would work, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)		::It seems like ferrocement binishells would work, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)
	::: These are all similar modes of construction, namely a concrete dome reinforced with steel. The composition of the mix varies somewhat, for example the mix used for FC is often 40-50% cement, the rest sand. But FC is thinner and therefore lighter, using less cement and steel. If one wants to build a very large dome, FC may not be practical because too much work. In developing countries, not a problem because labor is cheap. Monolithic with shotcrete is very fast and probably the better option when labor is scarce/expensive. I don't know much about binishells, the reinforcement seems to have coils that lengthen when the airform is inflated (?), sounds very proprietary. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 16:51, 11 March 2011 (PST)		::: These are all similar modes of construction, namely a concrete dome reinforced with steel. The composition of the mix varies somewhat, for example the mix used for FC is often 40-50% cement, the rest sand. But FC is thinner and therefore lighter, using less cement and steel. If one wants to build a very large dome, FC may not be practical because too much work. In developing countries, not a problem because labor is cheap. Monolithic with shotcrete is very fast and probably the better option when labor is scarce/expensive. I don't know much about binishells, the reinforcement seems to have coils that lengthen when the airform is inflated (?), sounds very proprietary. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 16:51, 11 March 2011 (PST)
			:::Looking at images from these different types of dome construction, it is fairly obvious that [[binishells]] tend to have irregularities on the surface that must be smoothed out after curing. Sprayed monolithic domes do not have this drawback. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 06:04, 12 March 2011 (PST)

Rasmus at 00:51, 12 March 2011

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	: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)		: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)
	::It seems like ferrocement binishells would work, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)		::It seems like ferrocement binishells would work, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)
			::: These are all similar modes of construction, namely a concrete dome reinforced with steel. The composition of the mix varies somewhat, for example the mix used for FC is often 40-50% cement, the rest sand. But FC is thinner and therefore lighter, using less cement and steel. If one wants to build a very large dome, FC may not be practical because too much work. In developing countries, not a problem because labor is cheap. Monolithic with shotcrete is very fast and probably the better option when labor is scarce/expensive. I don't know much about binishells, the reinforcement seems to have coils that lengthen when the airform is inflated (?), sounds very proprietary. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 16:51, 11 March 2011 (PST)

Conor at 00:00, 12 March 2011

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	Could this be used with [[air-formed domes]]? --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 13:37, 11 March 2011 (PST)		Could this be used with [[air-formed domes]]? --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 13:37, 11 March 2011 (PST)
	: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)		: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)
	::It seems like ferrocement binishells ~~woul~~, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)		::It seems like ferrocement binishells would work, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)
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Conor at 00:00, 12 March 2011

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	Could this be used with [[air-formed domes]]? --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 13:37, 11 March 2011 (PST)		Could this be used with [[air-formed domes]]? --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 13:37, 11 March 2011 (PST)
	: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)		: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)
	::It seems like ferrocement binishells, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)		::It seems like ferrocement binishells woul, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)
			d work

Conor at 00:00, 12 March 2011

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	Could this be used with [[air-formed domes]]? --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 13:37, 11 March 2011 (PST)		Could this be used with [[air-formed domes]]? --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 13:37, 11 March 2011 (PST)
	: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)		: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)
			::It seems like ferrocement binishells, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)

Rasmus at 22:11, 11 March 2011

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	Could this be used with [[air-formed domes]]? --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 13:37, 11 March 2011 (PST)		Could this be used with [[air-formed domes]]? --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 13:37, 11 March 2011 (PST)
			: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)

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Could this be used with [[air-formed domes]]? --[[User:Conor|Conor]] 13:37, 11 March 2011 (PST)

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	::It seems like ferrocement binishells would work, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)		::It seems like ferrocement binishells would work, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)
	::: These are all similar modes of construction, namely a concrete dome reinforced with steel. The composition of the mix varies somewhat, for example the mix used for FC is often 40-50% cement, the rest sand. But FC is thinner and therefore lighter, using less cement and steel. If one wants to build a very large dome, FC may not be practical because too much work. In developing countries, not a problem because labor is cheap. Monolithic with shotcrete is very fast and probably the better option when labor is scarce/expensive. I don't know much about binishells, the reinforcement seems to have coils that lengthen when the airform is inflated (?), sounds very proprietary. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 16:51, 11 March 2011 (PST)		::: These are all similar modes of construction, namely a concrete dome reinforced with steel. The composition of the mix varies somewhat, for example the mix used for FC is often 40-50% cement, the rest sand. But FC is thinner and therefore lighter, using less cement and steel. If one wants to build a very large dome, FC may not be practical because too much work. In developing countries, not a problem because labor is cheap. Monolithic with shotcrete is very fast and probably the better option when labor is scarce/expensive. I don't know much about binishells, the reinforcement seems to have coils that lengthen when the airform is inflated (?), sounds very proprietary. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 16:51, 11 March 2011 (PST)
			:::Looking at images from these different types of dome construction, it is fairly obvious that [[binishells]] tend to have irregularities on the surface that must be smoothed out after curing. Sprayed monolithic domes do not have this drawback. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 06:04, 12 March 2011 (PST)

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	: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)		: There are plenty of ferrocement domes, but not necessarily built with use of an air form. Air-formed domes (like Monolithic) are typically somewhat thicker than most FC structures, and only have steel rebar and not a fine mesh. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 14:11, 11 March 2011 (PST)
	::It seems like ferrocement binishells would work, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)		::It seems like ferrocement binishells would work, don't you think? Binishells are already damn cheap to build, but with a cheaper building material than concrete, they could be even cheaper --[[User:Conor\|Conor]] 16:00, 11 March 2011 (PST)
			::: These are all similar modes of construction, namely a concrete dome reinforced with steel. The composition of the mix varies somewhat, for example the mix used for FC is often 40-50% cement, the rest sand. But FC is thinner and therefore lighter, using less cement and steel. If one wants to build a very large dome, FC may not be practical because too much work. In developing countries, not a problem because labor is cheap. Monolithic with shotcrete is very fast and probably the better option when labor is scarce/expensive. I don't know much about binishells, the reinforcement seems to have coils that lengthen when the airform is inflated (?), sounds very proprietary. --[[User:Rasmus\|Rasmus]] 16:51, 11 March 2011 (PST)