Talk:Forum Policy - Revision history

Jeb: /* Discussion Area */ added WhyWikiWorks link

2011-06-20T00:42:01Z

Discussion Area: added WhyWikiWorks link

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	I’ve been meaning to argue against the public forums a little bit, but kept putting it off [http://forum.opensourceecology.org/discussion/257/this-solar-fire-steam-stuff-is-going-ahead-as-is-thens until reading this yesterday]. I’m not sure who remembers, but I jumped in to help put out some raging flames on the blog almost 2 years ago. (These are very mild in comparison.) Unfortunately, volunteers can easily get bent out of shape, and some like to vent in public forums or blog comments. Fortunately though, we don’t have to enable such waste! Competent people can use the wiki/Talk pages to vent, and more competent people can refractor those discussions into something more concise and useful over time. That’s one of the famous lessons of WhyWikiWorks (where other mediums including email lists fail). To be clear, (and I’m quite sure not everyone will agree), I don’t see much value in the public forums, and think they just take significant time and effort away from the wiki where it belongs. If there was a way to put a time limit before deletion of forum threads (with an email warning that important info to keep should be moved to the wiki), I think that might work well, but I’ve never yet seen that feature in forum software. I do see the value of a private archived discussion areas for core team like Highrise (service level) -- also independent of our main server infrastructure for continuity. Not everything needs to be public IMHO, (and especially discussion about people can be inappropriate). --[[User:Jeb\|Jeb]] 10:10, 6 June 2011 (PDT)		I’ve been meaning to argue against the public forums a little bit, but kept putting it off [http://forum.opensourceecology.org/discussion/257/this-solar-fire-steam-stuff-is-going-ahead-as-is-thens until reading this yesterday]. I’m not sure who remembers, but I jumped in to help put out some raging flames on the blog almost 2 years ago. (These are very mild in comparison.) Unfortunately, volunteers can easily get bent out of shape, and some like to vent in public forums or blog comments. Fortunately though, we don’t have to enable such waste! Competent people can use the wiki/Talk pages to vent, and more competent people can refractor those discussions into something more concise and useful over time. That’s one of the famous lessons of [[wiki: WhyWikiWorks]] (where other mediums including email lists fail). To be clear, (and I’m quite sure not everyone will agree), I don’t see much value in the public forums, and think they just take significant time and effort away from the wiki where it belongs. If there was a way to put a time limit before deletion of forum threads (with an email warning that important info to keep should be moved to the wiki), I think that might work well, but I’ve never yet seen that feature in forum software. I do see the value of a private archived discussion areas for core team like Highrise (service level) -- also independent of our main server infrastructure for continuity. Not everything needs to be public IMHO, (and especially discussion about people can be inappropriate). --[[User:Jeb\|Jeb]] 10:10, 6 June 2011 (PDT)

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Elifarley: Wikification

2011-06-12T20:10:52Z

Wikification

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	Proposal		* Proposal

	Public		* Public
	Open Source Ecology		** Open Source Ecology
	General		** General
	Ideas		** Ideas
	Off-topic		** Off-topic
	Factor e Farm		** Factor e Farm
	Technical		* Technical
	GVCS(sub-forums as needed based on volume)		** GVCS(sub-forums as needed based on volume)
	Research (techs, orgs, ideas, people)		** Research (techs, orgs, ideas, people)
	Design (CAD, CAM, Mechanical, Architecture...)		** Design (CAD, CAM, Mechanical, Architecture...)
	Media (Documentation, Press, Video, Music)		** Media (Documentation, Press, Video, Music)
	Organization		* Organization
	Web / Project Management		** Web / Project Management
	Fundraising		** Fundraising
	Project Proposals		** Project Proposals
	Staff		* Staff
	Private		** Private
	Logistics		** Logistics

Marcin: /* New Category Structure */

2011-06-11T17:18:26Z

New Category Structure

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	*Transportation - keep		*Transportation - keep
	*Other Languages - keep		*Other Languages - keep



			Chris Fornof

			Basic idea is aiming to strip down to the bare essentials to focus discussion into manageable forms. Basically we start with discussions, and break into sub-forums based on volume.


			Proposal

			Public
			Open Source Ecology
			General
			Ideas
			Off-topic
			Factor e Farm
			Technical
			GVCS(sub-forums as needed based on volume)
			Research (techs, orgs, ideas, people)
			Design (CAD, CAM, Mechanical, Architecture...)
			Media (Documentation, Press, Video, Music)
			Organization
			Web / Project Management
			Fundraising
			Project Proposals
			Staff
			Private
			Logistics

Elifarley: Added text from Mark's email

2011-06-10T12:16:56Z

Added text from Mark's email

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	--[[User:Elifarley\|Elifarley]] 20:43, 8 June 2011 (PDT)		--[[User:Elifarley\|Elifarley]] 20:43, 8 June 2011 (PDT)

			Mark Norton wrote:

			I would vote for the following:

			*Introductions - keep
			*Similar Projects - keep
			*In the News - drop
			*Education - keep
			*Food - keep
			*Energy - keep
			*Health -keep
			*Household - drop
			*Sustainable Architecture - keep
			*New Communities - keep
			*Transportation - keep
			*Other Languages - keep

Elifarley at 03:06, 10 June 2011

2011-06-10T03:06:52Z

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	(all categories and subcategories below accept posts form any registered user):		(all categories and subcategories below accept posts form any registered user):

	* General ''- General discussions. Your discussion may be moved by a moderator to a more specific category of our forum.''		* General ''- General discussions. Your discussion may be moved by a moderator to a more specific category of our forum.'' '''This category accepts discussions. it doesn't exist only to group the other categories.'''
	** Introductions ''- Introduce yourself! Tell us about your background, your skills, and how you'd like to contribute to the project.''		** Introductions ''- Introduce yourself! Tell us about your background, your skills, and how you'd like to contribute to the project.'' '''I would really like to keep this category'''
	** Similar Projects, Partnerships and Open Culture ''- If you know a group with similar aims as OSE, post your ideas here'' '''I would reallyu like to keep this category'''		** Similar Projects, Partnerships and Open Culture ''- If you know a group with similar aims as OSE, post your ideas here'' '''I would reallyu like to keep this category'''
	*** sustentavelnapratica ''- Discussões relacionadas ao site http://sustentavelnapratica.net/'' '''I would ~~reallyu~~ like to keep this category'''		*** sustentavelnapratica ''- Discussões relacionadas ao site http://sustentavelnapratica.net/'' '''I would really like to keep this category'''
	** In the News ''- What others are saying about us.'' '''I'm not sure this is essential'''		** In the News ''- What others are saying about us.'' '''I'm not sure this is essential'''
	** Education ''- Topics related to OSE 2 Year Immersion Training, Whole Village education, Gaia University collaboration, and K-PhD Renaissance Education towards Freedom, as well as Augmented Reality training for fabricators.'' '''I think this one is important. It already contains some discussions'''		** Education ''- Topics related to OSE 2 Year Immersion Training, Whole Village education, Gaia University collaboration, and K-PhD Renaissance Education towards Freedom, as well as Augmented Reality training for fabricators.'' '''I think this one is important. It already contains some discussions'''
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	{{Tip\|General Category is Separate and Public\|Notice that discussions posted (by anyone) to the categories '''General''' and its children categories '''won't disrupt any work being carried out on other categories'''. And we may select some outstanding discussions to more specific categories if needed. Authors with the most relevant and constructive discussions should be invited to join the team.		{{Tip\|General Category is Separate and Public\|Notice that discussions posted (by anyone) to the categories '''General''' and its children categories '''won't disrupt any work being carried out on other categories'''. And we may select some outstanding discussions to more specific categories if needed. Authors with the most relevant and constructive discussions should be invited to join the team.
	}}		}}

			Please provide your comments below

	--[[User:Elifarley\|Elifarley]] 20:43, 8 June 2011 (PDT)		--[[User:Elifarley\|Elifarley]] 20:43, 8 June 2011 (PDT)

Elifarley: /* New "General" Category Structure */

2011-06-10T03:03:22Z

New "General" Category Structure

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	== New ~~"General"~~ Category Structure ==		== New Category Structure ==

	Currently proposed on the main article page:		'''Currently proposed on the main article page:'''
	* General		* General
	** A single, general category with no sub-categories; one forum each for English, Spanish, French, Russian, and Portuguese. (writable by all)		** A single, general category with no sub-categories; one forum each for English, Spanish, French, Russian, and Portuguese. (writable by all)
	** Announcements (read only, press releases, etc.)		** Announcements (read only, press releases, etc.)
			* Technical (writable by participating contributors, readable by all)
			** GVCS Projects (50, top 20 for now)
			** Component Projects (5 or so now, much more later)
			** Community Projects (villages, communities, local OSE chapters, etc)
			** Agriculture Projects (farming, permaculture, etc.)
			** Other Projects
			* Organization (writable by participating contributors, readable by all)
			** Resource Development
			** Web Infrastructure
			** Project Management
			** Standards (Docs, CAD, CAM, etc.)
			** Fundraising
			** Project Proposals
			* Staff (private to OSE staff)
			** Grant Management
			** Press
			** Marketing
			** Personnel


	Currently live on the forum (all categories and subcategories below accept posts form any registered user):
			'''Currently live on the forum (all categories and subcategories below accept posts form any registered user):'''
	* General		* General
	** Introductions ''- Introduce yourself! Tell us about your background, your skills, and how you'd like to contribute to the project.''		** Introductions ''- Introduce yourself! Tell us about your background, your skills, and how you'd like to contribute to the project.''
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	*** Обсуждения в Россию		*** Обсуждения в Россию
	*** Discusiones en Español		*** Discusiones en Español

			''(Other categories exist, but are omitted here for brevity)''



	My proposal is below. First, the categories that I'd like to keep the most:		My proposal is below. First, the categories that I'd like to keep the most:
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	* General ''- General discussions. Your discussion may be moved by a moderator to a more specific category of our forum.''		* General ''- General discussions. Your discussion may be moved by a moderator to a more specific category of our forum.''
	** Introductions ''- Introduce yourself! Tell us about your background, your skills, and how you'd like to contribute to the project.''		** Introductions ''- Introduce yourself! Tell us about your background, your skills, and how you'd like to contribute to the project.''
	** Similar Projects, Partnerships and Open Culture ''- If you know a group with similar aims as OSE, post your ideas here''		** Similar Projects, Partnerships and Open Culture ''- If you know a group with similar aims as OSE, post your ideas here'' '''I would reallyu like to keep this category'''
	*** sustentavelnapratica ''- Discussões relacionadas ao site http://sustentavelnapratica.net/''		*** sustentavelnapratica ''- Discussões relacionadas ao site http://sustentavelnapratica.net/'' '''I would reallyu like to keep this category'''
	** In the News ''- What others are saying about us.''		** In the News ''- What others are saying about us.'' '''I'm not sure this is essential'''
	** Education ''- Topics related to OSE 2 Year Immersion Training, Whole Village education, Gaia University collaboration, and K-PhD Renaissance Education towards Freedom, as well as Augmented Reality training for fabricators.''		** Education ''- Topics related to OSE 2 Year Immersion Training, Whole Village education, Gaia University collaboration, and K-PhD Renaissance Education towards Freedom, as well as Augmented Reality training for fabricators.'' '''I think this one is important. It already contains some discussions'''
	** Food		** Food '''Not sure about this one'''
	** Energy		** Energy '''Seems to have quite a few discussions'''
	** Health		** Health '''Not sure about this one. Let's delete it then?'''
	** Household		** Household ''(no discussions currently exist here)''
	** Sustainable Architecture		** Sustainable Architecture ''(no discussions currently exist here)''
	** New Communities ''- This is a discussion of Social Contract and Land Stewardship for new communities that are built via access to GVCS technologies. In particular, how is property owned and maintained in a resilient community? How is productivity assured via division of labor towards prosperity and resilience? How is the environment regenerated at the same time, and how does the community contribute to the welfare of other communities?''		** New Communities ''- This is a discussion of Social Contract and Land Stewardship for new communities that are built via access to GVCS technologies. In particular, how is property owned and maintained in a resilient community? How is productivity assured via division of labor towards prosperity and resilience? How is the environment regenerated at the same time, and how does the community contribute to the welfare of other communities?''
	** Transportation		** Transportation '''Maybe we should delete this'''
	** Linux Support ''- Support on OSE infrastructure in Linux - from installations, compatibility, software choices (such as what is the best Video editing software), Linux connection to iPhone, etc.''		** Linux Support ''- Support on OSE infrastructure in Linux - from installations, compatibility, software choices (such as what is the best Video editing software), Linux connection to iPhone, etc.'' '''Not sure if this is really needed'''
	** Other Languages ''- These forums are dedicated to discussion in other languages.''		** Other Languages ''- These forums are dedicated to discussion in other languages.''
	*** Discussões em Português		*** Discussões em Português
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	*** Обсуждения в Россию		*** Обсуждения в Россию
	*** Discusiones en Español		*** Discusiones en Español
			*''(categories below are the same as current proposed structure on the main page)''
			* Technical (writable by participating contributors, readable by all)
			** GVCS Projects (50, top 20 for now)
			** Component Projects (5 or so now, much more later)
			** Community Projects (villages, communities, local OSE chapters, etc)
			** Agriculture Projects (farming, permaculture, etc.)
			** Other Projects
			* Organization (writable by participating contributors, readable by all)
			** Resource Development
			** Web Infrastructure
			** Project Management
			** Standards (Docs, CAD, CAM, etc.)
			** Fundraising
			** Project Proposals
			* Staff (private to OSE staff)
			** Grant Management
			** Press
			** Marketing
			** Personnel

	Now, some categories that might need to be removed:		Now, some categories that might need to be removed:
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	** GVCS Replication ''- This forum is dedicated to discussion of replicating GVCS technologies in independent locations by other groups and individuals.''		** GVCS Replication ''- This forum is dedicated to discussion of replicating GVCS technologies in independent locations by other groups and individuals.''

	Notice that discussions posted (by anyone) to ~~these~~ categories won't disrupt any work being carried out on other categories. And we may select some outstanding discussions to more specific categories if needed. Authors with the most relevant and constructive discussions should be invited to join the team.
			{{Tip\|General Category is Separate and Public\|Notice that discussions posted (by anyone) to the categories '''General''' and its children categories '''won't disrupt any work being carried out on other categories'''. And we may select some outstanding discussions to more specific categories if needed. Authors with the most relevant and constructive discussions should be invited to join the team.
			}}

	--[[User:Elifarley\|Elifarley]] 20:43, 8 June 2011 (PDT)		--[[User:Elifarley\|Elifarley]] 20:43, 8 June 2011 (PDT)

Elifarley: /* New "General" Category Structure */ new section

2011-06-09T03:43:55Z

New "General" Category Structure: new section

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			== New "General" Category Structure ==

			Currently proposed on the main article page:
			* General
			** A single, general category with no sub-categories; one forum each for English, Spanish, French, Russian, and Portuguese. (writable by all)
			** Announcements (read only, press releases, etc.)


			Currently live on the forum (all categories and subcategories below accept posts form any registered user):
			* General
			** Introductions ''- Introduce yourself! Tell us about your background, your skills, and how you'd like to contribute to the project.''
			** GVCS Development ''- Discuss the GVCS tools here.''
			** GVCS Replication ''- This forum is dedicated to discussion of replicating GVCS technologies in independent locations by other groups and individuals.''
			** Similar Projects, Partnerships and Open Culture ''- If you know a group with similar aims as OSE, post your ideas here''
			*** sustentavelnapratica ''- Discussões relacionadas ao site http://sustentavelnapratica.net/''
			** In the News ''- What others are saying about us.''
			** Education ''- Topics related to OSE 2 Year Immersion Training, Whole Village education, Gaia University collaboration, and K-PhD Renaissance Education towards Freedom, as well as Augmented Reality training for fabricators.''
			** Food
			** Energy
			** Health
			** Household
			** Sustainable Architecture
			** New Communities ''- This is a discussion of Social Contract and Land Stewardship for new communities that are built via access to GVCS technologies. In particular, how is property owned and maintained in a resilient community? How is productivity assured via division of labor towards prosperity and resilience? How is the environment regenerated at the same time, and how does the community contribute to the welfare of other communities?''
			** Transportation
			** Linux Support ''- Support on OSE infrastructure in Linux - from installations, compatibility, software choices (such as what is the best Video editing software), Linux connection to iPhone, etc.''
			** Other Languages ''- These forums are dedicated to discussion in other languages.''
			*** Discussões em Português
			*** Discussions en Français
			*** Обсуждения в Россию
			*** Discusiones en Español

			My proposal is below. First, the categories that I'd like to keep the most:

			(all categories and subcategories below accept posts form any registered user):

			* General ''- General discussions. Your discussion may be moved by a moderator to a more specific category of our forum.''
			** Introductions ''- Introduce yourself! Tell us about your background, your skills, and how you'd like to contribute to the project.''
			** Similar Projects, Partnerships and Open Culture ''- If you know a group with similar aims as OSE, post your ideas here''
			*** sustentavelnapratica ''- Discussões relacionadas ao site http://sustentavelnapratica.net/''
			** In the News ''- What others are saying about us.''
			** Education ''- Topics related to OSE 2 Year Immersion Training, Whole Village education, Gaia University collaboration, and K-PhD Renaissance Education towards Freedom, as well as Augmented Reality training for fabricators.''
			** Food
			** Energy
			** Health
			** Household
			** Sustainable Architecture
			** New Communities ''- This is a discussion of Social Contract and Land Stewardship for new communities that are built via access to GVCS technologies. In particular, how is property owned and maintained in a resilient community? How is productivity assured via division of labor towards prosperity and resilience? How is the environment regenerated at the same time, and how does the community contribute to the welfare of other communities?''
			** Transportation
			** Linux Support ''- Support on OSE infrastructure in Linux - from installations, compatibility, software choices (such as what is the best Video editing software), Linux connection to iPhone, etc.''
			** Other Languages ''- These forums are dedicated to discussion in other languages.''
			*** Discussões em Português
			*** Discussions en Français
			*** Обсуждения в Россию
			*** Discusiones en Español

			Now, some categories that might need to be removed:
			** GVCS Development ''- Discuss the GVCS tools here.''
			** GVCS Replication ''- This forum is dedicated to discussion of replicating GVCS technologies in independent locations by other groups and individuals.''

			Notice that discussions posted (by anyone) to these categories won't disrupt any work being carried out on other categories. And we may select some outstanding discussions to more specific categories if needed. Authors with the most relevant and constructive discussions should be invited to join the team.

			--[[User:Elifarley\|Elifarley]] 20:43, 8 June 2011 (PDT)

Jeb: public forums are flame bait

2011-06-06T17:10:21Z

public forums are flame bait

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			= Discussion Area =

			I’ve been meaning to argue against the public forums a little bit, but kept putting it off [http://forum.opensourceecology.org/discussion/257/this-solar-fire-steam-stuff-is-going-ahead-as-is-thens until reading this yesterday]. I’m not sure who remembers, but I jumped in to help put out some raging flames on the blog almost 2 years ago. (These are very mild in comparison.) Unfortunately, volunteers can easily get bent out of shape, and some like to vent in public forums or blog comments. Fortunately though, we don’t have to enable such waste! Competent people can use the wiki/Talk pages to vent, and more competent people can refractor those discussions into something more concise and useful over time. That’s one of the famous lessons of WhyWikiWorks (where other mediums including email lists fail). To be clear, (and I’m quite sure not everyone will agree), I don’t see much value in the public forums, and think they just take significant time and effort away from the wiki where it belongs. If there was a way to put a time limit before deletion of forum threads (with an email warning that important info to keep should be moved to the wiki), I think that might work well, but I’ve never yet seen that feature in forum software. I do see the value of a private archived discussion areas for core team like Highrise (service level) -- also independent of our main server infrastructure for continuity. Not everything needs to be public IMHO, (and especially discussion about people can be inappropriate). --[[User:Jeb\|Jeb]] 10:10, 6 June 2011 (PDT)

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	== Additional forum categories ==		== Additional forum categories ==

Rasmus at 23:40, 17 February 2011

2011-02-17T23:40:41Z

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	Rasmus		Rasmus:
	I totally agree with the category suggestions of "health" and "household".		I totally agree with the category suggestions of "health" and "household".
	We have a page on the household cyclopedia (1881) by the way:		We have a page on the household cyclopedia (1881) by the way:
	http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/Household_Cyclopedia		http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/Household_Cyclopedia

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Rasmus at 23:40, 17 February 2011

2011-02-17T23:40:25Z

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	* (we could also have discussions in Spanish, French and Russian - we have many visitors from Russia, for instance)		* (we could also have discussions in Spanish, French and Russian - we have many visitors from Russia, for instance)

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			Rasmus
	I totally agree with the category suggestions of "health" and "household".		I totally agree with the category suggestions of "health" and "household".

	We have a page on the household cyclopedia (1881) by the way:		We have a page on the household cyclopedia (1881) by the way:
	http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/Household_Cyclopedia		http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/Household_Cyclopedia

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