Talk:Global Village Construction Set - Revision history

Gonzo: /* Toys */ bricks and tiles

2014-09-12T22:24:27Z

Toys: bricks and tiles

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	:::: True, a refrigeration engine that can be used in refrigerators or in other machines would be very useful. [[:wikipedia:Solar-powered refrigerator\|Solar refrigeration]] should be explored too: ''In 2008, a group of students at San Jose State University built a solar-powered ice maker with $100 worth of plumbing and a four-by-eight-foot (1.2-by-2.4-meter) sheet of reflecting steel. No moving parts, no electricity, but give it a couple hours of sunshine and it can make a large bag of ice.'' - that would help to make desert farming a viable alternative.		:::: True, a refrigeration engine that can be used in refrigerators or in other machines would be very useful. [[:wikipedia:Solar-powered refrigerator\|Solar refrigeration]] should be explored too: ''In 2008, a group of students at San Jose State University built a solar-powered ice maker with $100 worth of plumbing and a four-by-eight-foot (1.2-by-2.4-meter) sheet of reflecting steel. No moving parts, no electricity, but give it a couple hours of sunshine and it can make a large bag of ice.'' - that would help to make desert farming a viable alternative.
	:::: I also think it would be very nice to have the ovens (or technology) to make bricks and tiles. [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] ([[User talk:Gonzo\|talk]]) 23:43, 12 September 2014 (CEST)		:::: I also think it would be very nice to have the ovens (or technology) to make bricks and tiles. By pure chance, I just found this page that tells a little bit about how to start a brick manufacturing facility: [http://www.startupbizhub.com/becoming-a-brick-manufacturer.htm Becoming a Brick Manufacturer]. It's amazing to see that there are 549 people asking for additional advice for how to start such a business, since 2009 until a few days ago, the people keep asking. Therefore the market for such thing should be huge. I'm quite sure that the same applies to tile manufacturing tiles - maybe even much more, since the tiles are used much more than bricks, and the tiles can also be made open source, and this would reduce the cost of replacing broken tiles (you have to replace a broken tile with another tile that has the same shape and color). [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] ([[User talk:Gonzo\|talk]]) 00:24, 13 September 2014 (CEST)

	== 50 or 51 machines? ==		== 50 or 51 machines? ==

Gonzo: /* Toys */ Solar refrigeration, bricks and tiles

2014-09-12T21:43:06Z

Toys: Solar refrigeration, bricks and tiles

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	::: I agree; particularly, a heat pump for heating or especially refrigeration is much more important than a pelletizer or an industrial robot, for example. It is difficult for modern people to appreciate the sea change that the advent of refrigeration brought with it. --[[User:Tiago Rodrigues\|Tiago Rodrigues]] ([[User talk:Tiago Rodrigues\|talk]]) 17:42, 31 January 2013 (CET)		::: I agree; particularly, a heat pump for heating or especially refrigeration is much more important than a pelletizer or an industrial robot, for example. It is difficult for modern people to appreciate the sea change that the advent of refrigeration brought with it. --[[User:Tiago Rodrigues\|Tiago Rodrigues]] ([[User talk:Tiago Rodrigues\|talk]]) 17:42, 31 January 2013 (CET)

			:::: True, a refrigeration engine that can be used in refrigerators or in other machines would be very useful. [[:wikipedia:Solar-powered refrigerator\|Solar refrigeration]] should be explored too: ''In 2008, a group of students at San Jose State University built a solar-powered ice maker with $100 worth of plumbing and a four-by-eight-foot (1.2-by-2.4-meter) sheet of reflecting steel. No moving parts, no electricity, but give it a couple hours of sunshine and it can make a large bag of ice.'' - that would help to make desert farming a viable alternative.
			:::: I also think it would be very nice to have the ovens (or technology) to make bricks and tiles. [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] ([[User talk:Gonzo\|talk]]) 23:43, 12 September 2014 (CEST)

	== 50 or 51 machines? ==		== 50 or 51 machines? ==

Jorgeandr3s: /* Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem. */

2014-08-04T14:12:46Z

Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem.

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	Surely, without working in how to make tools into this CS, you will never make it bootstrappable. One will never be able to make another without outside parts.		Surely, without working in how to make tools into this CS, you will never make it bootstrappable. One will never be able to make another without outside parts.

	:Everyone is aware of it. You need [[Basic_Advanced_Workshop\|basic tools]] to start a GVCS, please read the whole thing before posing these "questions"		:Everyone is aware of it. You need [[Basic_Advanced_Workshop\|basic tools]] to start a GVCS, please read the whole thing before posing these "questions" --[[User:Jorgeandr3s\|jorgeandr3s]] ([[User talk:Jorgeandr3s\|talk]]) 16:12, 4 August 2014 (CEST)

	==GLDIYPS project==		==GLDIYPS project==
	Perhaps that a GLDIYPS project can also be started by Open Source Ecology ? See [[Talk:Proposed_GVCS]]		Perhaps that a GLDIYPS project can also be started by Open Source Ecology ? See [[Talk:Proposed_GVCS]]
	[[User:VDP\|VDP]] ([[User talk:VDP\|talk]]) 11:09, 4 August 2014 (CEST)		[[User:VDP\|VDP]] ([[User talk:VDP\|talk]]) 11:09, 4 August 2014 (CEST)

Jorgeandr3s: /* Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem. */

2014-08-04T14:12:32Z

Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem.

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	Surely, without working in how to make tools into this CS, you will never make it bootstrappable. One will never be able to make another without outside parts.		Surely, without working in how to make tools into this CS, you will never make it bootstrappable. One will never be able to make another without outside parts.

			:Everyone is aware of it. You need [[Basic_Advanced_Workshop\|basic tools]] to start a GVCS, please read the whole thing before posing these "questions"

	==GLDIYPS project==		==GLDIYPS project==
	Perhaps that a GLDIYPS project can also be started by Open Source Ecology ? See [[Talk:Proposed_GVCS]]		Perhaps that a GLDIYPS project can also be started by Open Source Ecology ? See [[Talk:Proposed_GVCS]]
	[[User:VDP\|VDP]] ([[User talk:VDP\|talk]]) 11:09, 4 August 2014 (CEST)		[[User:VDP\|VDP]] ([[User talk:VDP\|talk]]) 11:09, 4 August 2014 (CEST)

VDP: /* Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem. */

2014-08-04T09:09:15Z

Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem.

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	Surely, without working in how to make tools into this CS, you will never make it bootstrappable. One will never be able to make another without outside parts.		Surely, without working in how to make tools into this CS, you will never make it bootstrappable. One will never be able to make another without outside parts.

			==GLDIYPS project==
			Perhaps that a GLDIYPS project can also be started by Open Source Ecology ? See [[Talk:Proposed_GVCS]]
			[[User:VDP\|VDP]] ([[User talk:VDP\|talk]]) 11:09, 4 August 2014 (CEST)

Tiago Rodrigues: /* Toys */

2013-01-31T16:42:48Z

Toys

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	:: I have to agree, some home appliances are much more important to the world than some of the GVCS machines. The world is hungry for Open Source machines like: Washing Machines, Refrigerators, Dryers. Many other such home appliances are not so important for building the world from scratch but they would be adopted very fast, radically transforming the world in super-fast time, and making the OSE project much more visible. Also would bring much more needed cash, from selling those home appliances but also from the people who will hear about the OSE. Such home appliances would be: Microwave, Coffeemaker, Stove, Oven, Dust Buster, etc. [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] 20:43, 25 February 2012 (CET)		:: I have to agree, some home appliances are much more important to the world than some of the GVCS machines. The world is hungry for Open Source machines like: Washing Machines, Refrigerators, Dryers. Many other such home appliances are not so important for building the world from scratch but they would be adopted very fast, radically transforming the world in super-fast time, and making the OSE project much more visible. Also would bring much more needed cash, from selling those home appliances but also from the people who will hear about the OSE. Such home appliances would be: Microwave, Coffeemaker, Stove, Oven, Dust Buster, etc. [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] 20:43, 25 February 2012 (CET)

			::: I agree; particularly, a heat pump for heating or especially refrigeration is much more important than a pelletizer or an industrial robot, for example. It is difficult for modern people to appreciate the sea change that the advent of refrigeration brought with it. --[[User:Tiago Rodrigues\|Tiago Rodrigues]] ([[User talk:Tiago Rodrigues\|talk]]) 17:42, 31 January 2013 (CET)

	== 50 or 51 machines? ==		== 50 or 51 machines? ==

Hawk-v3: /* Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem. */ new section

2012-09-08T00:21:37Z

Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem.: new section

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	== Certification ==		== Certification ==
	Do you have to certify the GVCS machines in order to be able to sell or use them? If yes, then how much it costs? I would like to know more about the certification issue. Thanks. [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] ([[User talk:Gonzo\|talk]]) 12:19, 27 February 2012 (CET)		Do you have to certify the GVCS machines in order to be able to sell or use them? If yes, then how much it costs? I would like to know more about the certification issue. Thanks. [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] ([[User talk:Gonzo\|talk]]) 12:19, 27 February 2012 (CET)

			== Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem. ==

			This seems to assume you have half a workshop already. What happens if you don't have some of the tools? It's all very well making parts to make anything, but not if your massive pile of scrap doesn't have a circular saw and metal drill in it.

			Surely, without working in how to make tools into this CS, you will never make it bootstrappable. One will never be able to make another without outside parts.

Gonzo: Certification

2012-02-27T11:19:08Z

Certification

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	:: I understand, but what is the point of that specific order? What kind of enormous benefits is it giving to make it more desirable than having lots of sales and money and making the project known to everyone in the world? Do you really think that the majority of the people in the world will move to villages, then they will create new cities, infrastructure, factories from scratch in order to get to the point where they can make washing machines on their own? Why to re-create the world again based on ''open source'' and ''resource based economy'' concepts, in an order that wastes years or decades, instead of giving the world what it needs ''now'', and getting to re-creation of the world based on those concepts, in months or 1-2 year(s)? Why to refuse to the world the opportunity to change now, in the name of a specific order? [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] ([[User talk:Gonzo\|talk]]) 05:11, 26 February 2012 (CET)		:: I understand, but what is the point of that specific order? What kind of enormous benefits is it giving to make it more desirable than having lots of sales and money and making the project known to everyone in the world? Do you really think that the majority of the people in the world will move to villages, then they will create new cities, infrastructure, factories from scratch in order to get to the point where they can make washing machines on their own? Why to re-create the world again based on ''open source'' and ''resource based economy'' concepts, in an order that wastes years or decades, instead of giving the world what it needs ''now'', and getting to re-creation of the world based on those concepts, in months or 1-2 year(s)? Why to refuse to the world the opportunity to change now, in the name of a specific order? [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] ([[User talk:Gonzo\|talk]]) 05:11, 26 February 2012 (CET)

			== Certification ==
			Do you have to certify the GVCS machines in order to be able to sell or use them? If yes, then how much it costs? I would like to know more about the certification issue. Thanks. [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] ([[User talk:Gonzo\|talk]]) 12:19, 27 February 2012 (CET)

Gonzo: /* Concept */ inefficient and slow concept

2012-02-26T04:11:07Z

Concept: inefficient and slow concept

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	*The GVCS is a system of open source infrastructure. The tools in it are for making the bare minimum agriculture/industry base necessary to support and expand a village. Washing machines need that infrastructure before they can be fabricated. So, when the GVCS is finished, it will be able to make washing machines. - [[Matt_Maier]] 25FEB2012		*The GVCS is a system of open source infrastructure. The tools in it are for making the bare minimum agriculture/industry base necessary to support and expand a village. Washing machines need that infrastructure before they can be fabricated. So, when the GVCS is finished, it will be able to make washing machines. - [[Matt_Maier]] 25FEB2012

			:: I understand, but what is the point of that specific order? What kind of enormous benefits is it giving to make it more desirable than having lots of sales and money and making the project known to everyone in the world? Do you really think that the majority of the people in the world will move to villages, then they will create new cities, infrastructure, factories from scratch in order to get to the point where they can make washing machines on their own? Why to re-create the world again based on ''open source'' and ''resource based economy'' concepts, in an order that wastes years or decades, instead of giving the world what it needs ''now'', and getting to re-creation of the world based on those concepts, in months or 1-2 year(s)? Why to refuse to the world the opportunity to change now, in the name of a specific order? [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] ([[User talk:Gonzo\|talk]]) 05:11, 26 February 2012 (CET)

Matt Maier at 00:02, 26 February 2012

2012-02-26T00:02:53Z

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	I just noticed that the page [[Rollout Plan]] contains a machine that is not in the [[GVCS]] list: [[Power Inverter]]. Is that a new addition to the GVCS or it's just one of the 50 machines, with different name? [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] 20:54, 25 February 2012 (CET)		I just noticed that the page [[Rollout Plan]] contains a machine that is not in the [[GVCS]] list: [[Power Inverter]]. Is that a new addition to the GVCS or it's just one of the 50 machines, with different name? [[User:Gonzo\|Gonzo]] 20:54, 25 February 2012 (CET)

	*The GVCS is a system of open source infrastructure. The tools in it are for making the bare minimum agriculture/industry base necessary to support and expand a village. Washing machines need that infrastructure before they can be fabricated. So, when the GVCS is finished, it will be able to make washing machines.		=Concept=

			*The GVCS is a system of open source infrastructure. The tools in it are for making the bare minimum agriculture/industry base necessary to support and expand a village. Washing machines need that infrastructure before they can be fabricated. So, when the GVCS is finished, it will be able to make washing machines. - [[Matt_Maier]] 25FEB2012