<?xml version="1.0"?>
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xml:lang="en">
	<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?action=history&amp;feed=atom&amp;title=Talk%3AHydrogen_ICE</id>
	<title>Talk:Hydrogen ICE - Revision history</title>
	<link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?action=history&amp;feed=atom&amp;title=Talk%3AHydrogen_ICE"/>
	<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Talk:Hydrogen_ICE&amp;action=history"/>
	<updated>2026-04-09T21:41:17Z</updated>
	<subtitle>Revision history for this page on the wiki</subtitle>
	<generator>MediaWiki 1.39.13</generator>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Talk:Hydrogen_ICE&amp;diff=282874&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Eric: Minor Typo Fix</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Talk:Hydrogen_ICE&amp;diff=282874&amp;oldid=prev"/>
		<updated>2023-05-10T02:49:46Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Minor Typo Fix&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;table style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122;&quot; data-mw=&quot;interface&quot;&gt;
				&lt;col class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; /&gt;
				&lt;col class=&quot;diff-content&quot; /&gt;
				&lt;col class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; /&gt;
				&lt;col class=&quot;diff-content&quot; /&gt;
				&lt;tr class=&quot;diff-title&quot; lang=&quot;en&quot;&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 02:49, 10 May 2023&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I&amp;#039;m &amp;#039;&amp;#039;personally&amp;#039;&amp;#039; not a fan, given it probably will require some sort of [[Anti-Corrosion Coating]] if not [[Stainless Steel]] / [[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Inconell&lt;/del&gt;]] etc on all the parts in contact with fuel/the combustion chamber to prevent/delay [[Hydrogen Embrittlement]] (although if this makes [[DLC]] coatings on engine parts mainstream...), &amp;#039;&amp;#039;BUT&amp;#039;&amp;#039; i can see to an extent how it could be a &amp;quot; [[Bridge Technology]] &amp;quot; Until [[Fuel Cells]] , ESPECIALLY [[Precious Metal Free Fuel Cells]] become mainstream, but [[Criticisms of &amp;quot;Bridge Technologies&amp;quot; ]] are quite dammning in my opinion (albeit this is moreso a case of [[Technological Lock-In]] rather than Bridge Technology criticism wise, that is mainly used for GHG Emissions and the Renewable Energy Transition if i remember correctly &amp;#039;&amp;#039;but i&amp;#039;m digressing from my point oof...)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I&amp;#039;m &amp;#039;&amp;#039;personally&amp;#039;&amp;#039; not a fan, given it probably will require some sort of [[Anti-Corrosion Coating]] if not [[Stainless Steel]] / [[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Inconel&lt;/ins&gt;]] etc on all the parts in contact with fuel/the combustion chamber to prevent/delay [[Hydrogen Embrittlement]] (although if this makes [[DLC]] coatings on engine parts mainstream...), &amp;#039;&amp;#039;BUT&amp;#039;&amp;#039; i can see to an extent how it could be a &amp;quot; [[Bridge Technology]] &amp;quot; Until [[Fuel Cells]] , ESPECIALLY [[Precious Metal Free Fuel Cells]] become mainstream, but [[Criticisms of &amp;quot;Bridge Technologies&amp;quot; ]] are quite dammning in my opinion (albeit this is moreso a case of [[Technological Lock-In]] rather than Bridge Technology criticism wise, that is mainly used for GHG Emissions and the Renewable Energy Transition if i remember correctly &amp;#039;&amp;#039;but i&amp;#039;m digressing from my point oof...)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Also &amp;#039;&amp;#039;if ICE Powered Vehicles / [[PHEVs]] etc are still going to exist, i&amp;#039;d prefer things like [[Methanol]] , [[CNG]] ( [[RNG]] / [[SNG]] in this case, although [[Bio-CNG]] can obviously be blended it, if not even going [[H-CNG]] ), or [[DME]] be used due to how those negate the [[Hydrogen Embrittlement]] / [[Hydrogen Leak]] (Not as much a hazard, as an annoyance that must be dealt with, gasoline/natural gas/propane leaks are just as bad if not worse! (Re: [[Hydrogen Safety]] ), but hydrogen can &amp;quot;slip past&amp;quot; seals, or even lowkey &amp;#039;&amp;#039;phase through solid materials&amp;#039;&amp;#039; (diffuse if you want to be snobby, [[Gas Barriers]] and all that are a related note even for non-hydrogen gasses/vapors) so that is a MAJOR challenge (Granted [[Integration Hell]] , but) Re &amp;#039;&amp;#039;NASA&amp;#039;s SLS&amp;#039;&amp;#039; having issues with that (Granted they will probably &amp;quot;iron out&amp;quot; some of those issues, and they are &amp;#039;&amp;#039;ultra&amp;#039;&amp;#039; risk adverse (don&amp;#039;t want another [[Apollo 1]] etc), but yeah)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Also &amp;#039;&amp;#039;if ICE Powered Vehicles / [[PHEVs]] etc are still going to exist, i&amp;#039;d prefer things like [[Methanol]] , [[CNG]] ( [[RNG]] / [[SNG]] in this case, although [[Bio-CNG]] can obviously be blended it, if not even going [[H-CNG]] ), or [[DME]] be used due to how those negate the [[Hydrogen Embrittlement]] / [[Hydrogen Leak]] (Not as much a hazard, as an annoyance that must be dealt with, gasoline/natural gas/propane leaks are just as bad if not worse! (Re: [[Hydrogen Safety]] ), but hydrogen can &amp;quot;slip past&amp;quot; seals, or even lowkey &amp;#039;&amp;#039;phase through solid materials&amp;#039;&amp;#039; (diffuse if you want to be snobby, [[Gas Barriers]] and all that are a related note even for non-hydrogen gasses/vapors) so that is a MAJOR challenge (Granted [[Integration Hell]] , but) Re &amp;#039;&amp;#039;NASA&amp;#039;s SLS&amp;#039;&amp;#039; having issues with that (Granted they will probably &amp;quot;iron out&amp;quot; some of those issues, and they are &amp;#039;&amp;#039;ultra&amp;#039;&amp;#039; risk adverse (don&amp;#039;t want another [[Apollo 1]] etc), but yeah)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Eric</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Talk:Hydrogen_ICE&amp;diff=282873&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Eric: Added some thoughts of mine</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Talk:Hydrogen_ICE&amp;diff=282873&amp;oldid=prev"/>
		<updated>2023-05-10T02:49:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Added some thoughts of mine&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;I&amp;#039;m &amp;#039;&amp;#039;personally&amp;#039;&amp;#039; not a fan, given it probably will require some sort of [[Anti-Corrosion Coating]] if not [[Stainless Steel]] / [[Inconell]] etc on all the parts in contact with fuel/the combustion chamber to prevent/delay [[Hydrogen Embrittlement]] (although if this makes [[DLC]] coatings on engine parts mainstream...), &amp;#039;&amp;#039;BUT&amp;#039;&amp;#039; i can see to an extent how it could be a &amp;quot; [[Bridge Technology]] &amp;quot; Until [[Fuel Cells]] , ESPECIALLY [[Precious Metal Free Fuel Cells]] become mainstream, but [[Criticisms of &amp;quot;Bridge Technologies&amp;quot; ]] are quite dammning in my opinion (albeit this is moreso a case of [[Technological Lock-In]] rather than Bridge Technology criticism wise, that is mainly used for GHG Emissions and the Renewable Energy Transition if i remember correctly &amp;#039;&amp;#039;but i&amp;#039;m digressing from my point oof...)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also &amp;#039;&amp;#039;if ICE Powered Vehicles / [[PHEVs]] etc are still going to exist, i&amp;#039;d prefer things like [[Methanol]] , [[CNG]] ( [[RNG]] / [[SNG]] in this case, although [[Bio-CNG]] can obviously be blended it, if not even going [[H-CNG]] ), or [[DME]] be used due to how those negate the [[Hydrogen Embrittlement]] / [[Hydrogen Leak]] (Not as much a hazard, as an annoyance that must be dealt with, gasoline/natural gas/propane leaks are just as bad if not worse! (Re: [[Hydrogen Safety]] ), but hydrogen can &amp;quot;slip past&amp;quot; seals, or even lowkey &amp;#039;&amp;#039;phase through solid materials&amp;#039;&amp;#039; (diffuse if you want to be snobby, [[Gas Barriers]] and all that are a related note even for non-hydrogen gasses/vapors) so that is a MAJOR challenge (Granted [[Integration Hell]] , but) Re &amp;#039;&amp;#039;NASA&amp;#039;s SLS&amp;#039;&amp;#039; having issues with that (Granted they will probably &amp;quot;iron out&amp;quot; some of those issues, and they are &amp;#039;&amp;#039;ultra&amp;#039;&amp;#039; risk adverse (don&amp;#039;t want another [[Apollo 1]] etc), but yeah)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Granted also some would make the argument that &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Fuel Powered&amp;#039;&amp;#039; vehicles are not a good idea and that we should &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all go&amp;#039;&amp;#039; [[BEV]] (cynics would point to [[Lithium Reserves]] , or given [[Sodium-Ion Batteries]] ,  [[Global Battery Manufacturing Capacity]] as making this impossible), but personally i view &amp;#039;&amp;#039;especially&amp;#039;&amp;#039; given an [[Appropriate Materials]] context there will still be a role for [[Internal Combustion Engines]] ,  heck even [[External Combustion Engines | e x t e r n a l   c o m b u s t i o n    e n g i n e s] (Re [[Steam Engine]] ), but yeah.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As per usual &amp;#039;&amp;#039;I&amp;#039;m Rambling on a Bit&amp;#039;&amp;#039; but:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;TLDR: (Pure) Hydrogen ICE&amp;#039;s are a Bad Idea, but Given [[Japan&amp;#039;s Hydrogen Economy]] and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;people&amp;#039;s love for cars that go vroom vroom and make gear shifting sounds&amp;#039;&amp;#039; I can See &amp;#039;&amp;#039;why&amp;#039;&amp;#039; it is happening&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Eric|Eric]] ([[User talk:Eric|talk]]) 02:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Eric</name></author>
	</entry>
</feed>