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		<title>Christopher de Vidal: Added my name</title>
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		<updated>2013-05-30T03:51:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Added my name&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 03:51, 30 May 2013&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l25&quot;&gt;Line 25:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Another variable is root depth, width, density, etc. Some plants go deep, so are shallow, and thus these do not compete.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Another variable is root depth, width, density, etc. Some plants go deep, so are shallow, and thus these do not compete.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;- Christopher de Vidal&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Christopher de Vidal</name></author>
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		<title>Christopher de Vidal: Also root composition</title>
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		<updated>2013-05-30T03:51:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Also root composition&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;- Mark Norton&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;- Mark Norton&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Another variable is root depth, width, density, etc. Some plants go deep, so are shallow, and thus these do not compete.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Mjn: Created page with &quot;Have you ever had any experience with developing an expert system?  There are three main parts to it:  # Gathering the knowledge # Representing them as &quot;rules&quot; # Using them via a...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2012-04-11T17:19:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Have you ever had any experience with developing an expert system?  There are three main parts to it:  # Gathering the knowledge # Representing them as &amp;quot;rules&amp;quot; # Using them via a...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Have you ever had any experience with developing an expert system?  There are three main parts to it:&lt;br /&gt;
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# Gathering the knowledge&lt;br /&gt;
# Representing them as &amp;quot;rules&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
# Using them via an inference engine&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Each of these requires special skills, which are (unfortunately) not all that common.  It&amp;#039;s a branch of AI that was quite popular back in the eighties, but has fallen by the wide side in favor of other, perhaps more interesting, projects.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sometimes this can be done using a database, but that approach is better applied to static selection of records based on query criteria.  It&amp;#039;s very difficult to express complex statements in SQL such as &amp;quot;what kinds of co-plants should be considered to suppress competitive weeds and harmful insects when planting red cabbages in heavy clay soil in a temperate climate modified to create a micro-climate using Wall-O-Water devices?&amp;quot;  Trust me, it&amp;#039;s almost impossible.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is why expert systems were developed, but they are not so easy to create, either.  While it&amp;#039;s fairly simple to write rules like:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1.  Cabbage worms will harm cabbage plants&lt;br /&gt;
2.  Garden slugs will harm cabbage plants&lt;br /&gt;
3.  Ducks eat cabbage worms&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What&amp;#039;s hard is to understand how rules interact with each other.  As an example, consider adding the following rule:&lt;br /&gt;
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4.  Ducks prefer to eat garden slugs.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, if my cabbages are suffering from cabbage worms, will the ducks eat them?  It&amp;#039;s not clear from the rules.  Debugging expert systems can be VERY difficult.  Again, special skills are called for.&lt;br /&gt;
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- Mark Norton&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mjn</name></author>
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