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Eric: Added some thoughts of mine, and asked some questions
2020-10-16T02:46:31Z
<p>Added some thoughts of mine, and asked some questions</p>
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2020-10-15T23:39:21Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Installing mechanically fastened TPO seems relatively straightforward up to a point (you unroll the membrane, fasten the edges to the deck with screws and plates, overlap the next sheet and heat-weld the seam). But on the written instructions they keep talking about "perimeter sheets" - but I can't find out what perimeter sheets are, how many we need, how much they cost nor how to install them (are they glued?). It's like a ghost material :)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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Marcin: Created page with "Parameters for assessing cost and practicality: #Materials: EPDM, TPO or PVC #Installation method: fully adhered, mechanically fasteners + heat welded (seams only) or mechanic..."
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<p><b>New page</b></p><div>Parameters for assessing cost and practicality:<br />
#Materials: EPDM, TPO or PVC<br />
#Installation method: fully adhered, mechanically fasteners + heat welded (seams only) or mechanically fastened + glued (seams only)<br />
#Form factor: all of these materials come in a variety of sizes - but none is a perfect fit for our roof size - so we need to pick the one that leads to the least waste (cut ends)<br />
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Suppliers that sell directly to the public.<br />
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Roofkit (EPDM only, I think):<br />
*Product line at menards: 45 mil EPDM, latex adhesive, primer, seam tape. This comes out to around $1.15/sq ft - but that doesn't include the cost of seams (which use primer and seam tape) nor waste due to form factor.<br />
*Installation manual<br />
*Website - with installation videos and FAQ<br />
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WeatherBond (EPDM, TPO and PVC)<br />
*Comes in a variety of sizes (for example). Can also be acquired by the foot.<br />
*Fastener plates<br />
*Installation videos<br />
*Loads of technical and how-to details (if you can make sense of them):<br />
#[https://www.weatherbondroofing.com/wp-content/uploads/Thermoplastic_Specification_and_Details.pdf]<br />
#[https://www.weatherbondroofing.com/wp-content/uploads/WB-4054-TPO_PVC-Material-Estimator-Sheet-8.5-x-11_03-24-20.pdf]<br />
#[https://www.weatherbondroofing.com/wp-content/uploads/607877-WB-4937-Rooftop-Detail-Guide_04-25-18.pdf]<br />
#[https://www.weatherbondroofing.com/wp-content/uploads/WB-4342-Product-Reference-Guide_03-25-20.pdf]<br />
#[https://www.weatherbondroofing.com/wp-content/uploads/2018-WBPC-2.0-TPO-PVC.pdf]<br />
#[https://www.weatherbondroofing.com/wp-content/uploads/603160-4044-WB-TPO-Rooftop-Detail-Installation-Guide_04-19-18.pdf<br />
#[https://www.weatherbondroofing.com/wp-content/uploads/2018-WBPMA-2.0B-TPO.pdf]<br />
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Installing mechanically fastened TPO seems relatively straightforward up to a point (you unroll the membrane, fasten the edges to the deck with screws and plates, overlap the next sheet and heat-weld the seam). But on the written instructions they keep talking about "perimeter sheets" - but I can't find out what perimeter sheets are, how many we need, how much they cost nor how to install them (are they glued?). It's like a ghost material :)<br />
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They also make a weld-free TPO, but I can't find it for sale online (we may need to contact the manufacturer). '''Weld-free means Seam Tape'''.<br />
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#https://www.weatherbondroofing.com/wp-content/uploads/604551-WB-1035-Weld-Free-TPO-Trifold-Brochure_03-22-18.pdf<br />
#https://www.weatherbondroofing.com/wp-content/uploads/WB-1042-Weld-Free-TPO-Installation-Guide_02-01-18.pdf<br />
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One more thing: [[Elijah]] says he doesn't know whether TPO can still be heat-welded after prolonged exposure to UV. So this is a question for the manufacturer - as it would affect if and how we could reuse the membrane.<br />
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Mechanically fastened roofing membranes:<br />
#https://youtu.be/tHkaXuxgqjo?t=28<br />
#https://youtu.be/zX8T7h-UDg8?t=92<br />
#https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk03UlnvdOs<br />
#https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3IWuCndhh0<br />
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See also [[Roofing Membranes]]<br />
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Marcin