Thermoelectric Generator - Revision history

Marcin at 04:24, 6 December 2020

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Marcin: /* Individual Modules */

2020-11-20T20:00:01Z

Individual Modules

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			*$3 for 3W - [https://www.ebay.com/itm/TEG-Module-High-Temperature-Power-Thermoelectric-Generator-Semiconductor-F4I0/184519142503?_trkparms=aid%3D1110009%26algo%3DSPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200220094952%26meid%3Dfdf55403879047b888e22da5995c38dc%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D310148993913%26itm%3D184519142503%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3Ddefault%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219]
	*$5 for 3W - at 100C between 20C and 120C - [https://www.wish.com/product/596f3a08697ee011070b3077?hide_login_modal=true&from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=US&_force_currency_code=USD&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=596f3a08697ee011070b3077&ad_cc=US&ad_curr=USD&ad_price=2.00&campaign_id=7203534630&gclid=CjwKCAiA7939BRBMEiwA-hX5J5Q4-q8DeF-8bXMzNnWWXSc0LwlHDjpep5_QORoIuM4tNUXpph7-BBoC6rAQAvD_BwE&share=web]		*$5 for 3W - at 100C between 20C and 120C - [https://www.wish.com/product/596f3a08697ee011070b3077?hide_login_modal=true&from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=US&_force_currency_code=USD&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=596f3a08697ee011070b3077&ad_cc=US&ad_curr=USD&ad_price=2.00&campaign_id=7203534630&gclid=CjwKCAiA7939BRBMEiwA-hX5J5Q4-q8DeF-8bXMzNnWWXSc0LwlHDjpep5_QORoIuM4tNUXpph7-BBoC6rAQAvD_BwE&share=web]
	*Cooling is low price - but we need TEG, not cooling. Cooling - $2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]		*Cooling is low price - but we need TEG, not cooling. Cooling - $2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]

Marcin: /* Individual Modules */

2020-11-20T19:58:17Z

Individual Modules

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			*$5 for 3W - at 100C between 20C and 120C - [https://www.wish.com/product/596f3a08697ee011070b3077?hide_login_modal=true&from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=US&_force_currency_code=USD&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=596f3a08697ee011070b3077&ad_cc=US&ad_curr=USD&ad_price=2.00&campaign_id=7203534630&gclid=CjwKCAiA7939BRBMEiwA-hX5J5Q4-q8DeF-8bXMzNnWWXSc0LwlHDjpep5_QORoIuM4tNUXpph7-BBoC6rAQAvD_BwE&share=web]
	*Cooling is low price - but we need TEG, not cooling. Cooling - $2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]		*Cooling is low price - but we need TEG, not cooling. Cooling - $2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]
	*Specs - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.thermonamic.com/TEC1-12706-English.PDF&ved=0ahUKEwjd-bfDibLMAhUC2GMKHUx7AH0QFggcMAE&usg=AFQjCNHWDjvI2wbFE7MdfZ742YHyVcoNLQ]		*Specs - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.thermonamic.com/TEC1-12706-English.PDF&ved=0ahUKEwjd-bfDibLMAhUC2GMKHUx7AH0QFggcMAE&usg=AFQjCNHWDjvI2wbFE7MdfZ742YHyVcoNLQ]

AbeAnderson: /* Links */

2018-07-10T02:51:14Z

Links

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	*Published report on a 150W initial design, which put out 14W in reality. -[http://www.harding.edu/olree/2009-10/senior%20design%20-%20final%20reports/thermoelectric%20generator/thermoelectric_generator_-_final_report.pdf		*Published report on a 150W initial design, which put out 14W in reality. -[http://www.harding.edu/olree/2009-10/senior%20design%20-%20final%20reports/thermoelectric%20generator/thermoelectric_generator_-_final_report.pdf
	*Design paper on TEGs - [http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11664-012-2299-8#/page-1]		*Design paper on TEGs - [http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11664-012-2299-8#/page-1]
			*http://www.newelectronics.co.uk/electronics-news/high-power-thermoelectric-generator-utilises-thermal-difference-of-only-5c/175937/

	=Technical Design=		=Technical Design=

Marcin: /* Individual Modules */

2016-10-15T02:28:03Z

Individual Modules

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	*$2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]		*Cooling is low price - but we need TEG, not cooling. Cooling - $2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]
	*Specs - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.thermonamic.com/TEC1-12706-English.PDF&ved=0ahUKEwjd-bfDibLMAhUC2GMKHUx7AH0QFggcMAE&usg=AFQjCNHWDjvI2wbFE7MdfZ742YHyVcoNLQ]		*Specs - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.thermonamic.com/TEC1-12706-English.PDF&ved=0ahUKEwjd-bfDibLMAhUC2GMKHUx7AH0QFggcMAE&usg=AFQjCNHWDjvI2wbFE7MdfZ742YHyVcoNLQ]

Marcin: /* Industry Standards */

2016-04-30T23:54:11Z

Industry Standards

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	*45W for $500 - [http://www.tegmart.com/thermoelectric-generator-products/devil-watt-teg-power-45-watt-wood-burning-stove-thermoelectric-generator/]. Fan cooled.		*45W for $500 - [http://www.tegmart.com/thermoelectric-generator-products/devil-watt-teg-power-45-watt-wood-burning-stove-thermoelectric-generator/]. Fan cooled.
	*100W max hot side temp is 300C? - [http://www.devilwatt.com/datasheets/DW-WC-100W.pdf]		*100W max hot side temp is 300C? - [http://www.devilwatt.com/datasheets/DW-WC-100W.pdf] - $725 - [http://www.tegmart.com/thermoelectric-generator-products/devil-watt-teg-power-100-watt-water-cooled-wood-burning-stove-thermoelectric-generator/]
	*70W - max hot side temp is 840F? -		*70W - max hot side temp is 840F? -
	*60W liquid cooled - [http://thermoelectric-generator.com/teg-thermoelectric-power-generators-for-sale/] - Don't exceed 900F on hot side.		*60W liquid cooled - [http://thermoelectric-generator.com/teg-thermoelectric-power-generators-for-sale/] - Don't exceed 900F on hot side.
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	*100W - German - http://thermalforce.de/engl/product/module/index.php		*100W - German - http://thermalforce.de/engl/product/module/index.php
	*200W Swedish - [http://www.termo-gen.com/pages/about.html]		*200W Swedish - [http://www.termo-gen.com/pages/about.html]
	*500W [[Firevolt]]		*500W [[Firevolt]]

	=Individual Modules=		=Individual Modules=
	*$2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]		*$2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]

Marcin at 22:30, 28 April 2016

2016-04-28T22:30:09Z

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	*100W - German - http://thermalforce.de/engl/product/module/index.php		*100W - German - http://thermalforce.de/engl/product/module/index.php
	*200W Swedish - [http://www.termo-gen.com/pages/about.html]		*200W Swedish - [http://www.termo-gen.com/pages/about.html]
			*500W [[Firevolt]]
	=Individual Modules=		=Individual Modules=
	*$2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]		*$2 for 60W - or 3W at 5% efficiency - [http://www.amazon.com/Vktech-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461831196&sr=1-5&keywords=Teg]
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	=Technical Design=		=Technical Design=
	*Best Resource as a Design Guide - tight packing fraction of modules appears to be a key requirement for higher power applications - [http://web.mit.edu/imoyer/www/portfolio/absolutzero/peltierasm.html] - as also seen in [[Firevolt]].		*Best Resource as a Design Guide - tight packing fraction of modules appears to be a key requirement for higher power applications - [http://web.mit.edu/imoyer/www/portfolio/absolutzero/peltierasm.html] - as also seen in [[Firevolt]].
	*[[Firevolt]] - up to 500W
	*DOE design report - 500w on a 200 degree differential from car exhaust - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f8/deer09_lagrandeur.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjtmtCog7LMAhUJ4mMKHUNhDnIQFghKMAE&usg=AFQjCNEWu2a7vwTZyJ4wish3Xm9_mvx70Q]		*DOE design report - 500w on a 200 degree differential from car exhaust - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f8/deer09_lagrandeur.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjtmtCog7LMAhUJ4mMKHUNhDnIQFghKMAE&usg=AFQjCNEWu2a7vwTZyJ4wish3Xm9_mvx70Q]

	=Conclusions=		=Conclusions=
	*If accessible modules put out 3W (5% of 60W) and cost $2, then we have a 70 cent per watt cost in TEG modules at maximum efficiency. This translates to a practical 100W system at $70 in peltier cells, plus balance of system for heating and cooling. If a stove is used, and the cold water side is based on a simple radiator (which adds minimally to space heating) - the cost is feasible. Pump - [https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-cobalt-aquatics-e-x-t-in-line-pump?gclid=CL2GhvqOsswCFYU2aQodXcYN2A] - 6W draw, but pump could probably be smaller. $20. Baseboard radiators for cool water heat rejection - $40x2. Aluminum heat sinks - that's the most expensive part - so use simple 1/8"x2"x2" square steel tubing at a dollar per pound. Should be doable at low cost of approximately $250 in parts, making this very competitive with PV prices. A 100W system can produce as much power as a 400W PV system that assumes 6 hrs of light per day. Equivalent PV cost of 65 cents per watt.		*If accessible modules put out 3W (5% of 60W) and cost $2, then we have a 70 cent per watt cost in TEG modules at maximum efficiency. This translates to a practical 100W system at $70 in peltier cells, plus balance of system for heating and cooling. If a stove is used, and the cold water side is based on a simple radiator (which adds minimally to space heating) - the cost is feasible. Pump - [https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-cobalt-aquatics-e-x-t-in-line-pump?gclid=CL2GhvqOsswCFYU2aQodXcYN2A] - 6W draw, but pump could probably be smaller. $20. Baseboard radiators for cool water heat rejection - $40x2. Aluminum heat sinks - that's the most expensive part - so use simple 1/8"x2"x2" square steel tubing at a dollar per pound. Should be doable at low cost of approximately $250 in parts, making this very competitive with PV prices. A 100W system can produce as much power as a 400W PV system that assumes 6 hrs of light per day. Equivalent PV cost of 65 cents per watt.

Marcin: /* Technical Design */

2016-04-28T22:29:21Z

Technical Design

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	*Best ~~Resoirce~~ as a Design Guide - tight packing fraction of modules appears to be a key requirement for higher power applications - [http://web.mit.edu/imoyer/www/portfolio/absolutzero/peltierasm.html] - as also seen in [[Firevolt]].		*Best Resource as a Design Guide - tight packing fraction of modules appears to be a key requirement for higher power applications - [http://web.mit.edu/imoyer/www/portfolio/absolutzero/peltierasm.html] - as also seen in [[Firevolt]].
	*[[Firevolt]]		*[[Firevolt]] - up to 500W
	*DOE design report - 500w on a 200 degree differential from car exhaust - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f8/deer09_lagrandeur.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjtmtCog7LMAhUJ4mMKHUNhDnIQFghKMAE&usg=AFQjCNEWu2a7vwTZyJ4wish3Xm9_mvx70Q]		*DOE design report - 500w on a 200 degree differential from car exhaust - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f8/deer09_lagrandeur.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjtmtCog7LMAhUJ4mMKHUNhDnIQFghKMAE&usg=AFQjCNEWu2a7vwTZyJ4wish3Xm9_mvx70Q]

	=Conclusions=		=Conclusions=
	*If accessible modules put out 3W (5% of 60W) and cost $2, then we have a 70 cent per watt cost in TEG modules at maximum efficiency. This translates to a practical 100W system at $70 in peltier cells, plus balance of system for heating and cooling. If a stove is used, and the cold water side is based on a simple radiator (which adds minimally to space heating) - the cost is feasible. Pump - [https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-cobalt-aquatics-e-x-t-in-line-pump?gclid=CL2GhvqOsswCFYU2aQodXcYN2A] - 6W draw, but pump could probably be smaller. $20. Baseboard radiators for cool water heat rejection - $40x2. Aluminum heat sinks - that's the most expensive part - so use simple 1/8"x2"x2" square steel tubing at a dollar per pound. Should be doable at low cost of approximately $250 in parts, making this very competitive with PV prices. A 100W system can produce as much power as a 400W PV system that assumes 6 hrs of light per day. Equivalent PV cost of 65 cents per watt.		*If accessible modules put out 3W (5% of 60W) and cost $2, then we have a 70 cent per watt cost in TEG modules at maximum efficiency. This translates to a practical 100W system at $70 in peltier cells, plus balance of system for heating and cooling. If a stove is used, and the cold water side is based on a simple radiator (which adds minimally to space heating) - the cost is feasible. Pump - [https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-cobalt-aquatics-e-x-t-in-line-pump?gclid=CL2GhvqOsswCFYU2aQodXcYN2A] - 6W draw, but pump could probably be smaller. $20. Baseboard radiators for cool water heat rejection - $40x2. Aluminum heat sinks - that's the most expensive part - so use simple 1/8"x2"x2" square steel tubing at a dollar per pound. Should be doable at low cost of approximately $250 in parts, making this very competitive with PV prices. A 100W system can produce as much power as a 400W PV system that assumes 6 hrs of light per day. Equivalent PV cost of 65 cents per watt.

Marcin: /* Technical Design */

2016-04-28T22:28:46Z

Technical Design

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	*Best Resoirce as a Design Guide - tight packing fraction of modules appears to be a key requirement for higher power applications - [http://web.mit.edu/imoyer/www/portfolio/absolutzero/peltierasm.html] - as also seen in [[Firevolt]].		*Best Resoirce as a Design Guide - tight packing fraction of modules appears to be a key requirement for higher power applications - [http://web.mit.edu/imoyer/www/portfolio/absolutzero/peltierasm.html] - as also seen in [[Firevolt]].
			*[[Firevolt]]
	*DOE design report - 500w on a 200 degree differential from car exhaust - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f8/deer09_lagrandeur.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjtmtCog7LMAhUJ4mMKHUNhDnIQFghKMAE&usg=AFQjCNEWu2a7vwTZyJ4wish3Xm9_mvx70Q]		*DOE design report - 500w on a 200 degree differential from car exhaust - [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f8/deer09_lagrandeur.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjtmtCog7LMAhUJ4mMKHUNhDnIQFghKMAE&usg=AFQjCNEWu2a7vwTZyJ4wish3Xm9_mvx70Q]

	=Conclusions=		=Conclusions=
	*If accessible modules put out 3W (5% of 60W) and cost $2, then we have a 70 cent per watt cost in TEG modules at maximum efficiency. This translates to a practical 100W system at $70 in peltier cells, plus balance of system for heating and cooling. If a stove is used, and the cold water side is based on a simple radiator (which adds minimally to space heating) - the cost is feasible. Pump - [https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-cobalt-aquatics-e-x-t-in-line-pump?gclid=CL2GhvqOsswCFYU2aQodXcYN2A] - 6W draw, but pump could probably be smaller. $20. Baseboard radiators for cool water heat rejection - $40x2. Aluminum heat sinks - that's the most expensive part - so use simple 1/8"x2"x2" square steel tubing at a dollar per pound. Should be doable at low cost of approximately $250 in parts, making this very competitive with PV prices. A 100W system can produce as much power as a 400W PV system that assumes 6 hrs of light per day. Equivalent PV cost of 65 cents per watt.		*If accessible modules put out 3W (5% of 60W) and cost $2, then we have a 70 cent per watt cost in TEG modules at maximum efficiency. This translates to a practical 100W system at $70 in peltier cells, plus balance of system for heating and cooling. If a stove is used, and the cold water side is based on a simple radiator (which adds minimally to space heating) - the cost is feasible. Pump - [https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-cobalt-aquatics-e-x-t-in-line-pump?gclid=CL2GhvqOsswCFYU2aQodXcYN2A] - 6W draw, but pump could probably be smaller. $20. Baseboard radiators for cool water heat rejection - $40x2. Aluminum heat sinks - that's the most expensive part - so use simple 1/8"x2"x2" square steel tubing at a dollar per pound. Should be doable at low cost of approximately $250 in parts, making this very competitive with PV prices. A 100W system can produce as much power as a 400W PV system that assumes 6 hrs of light per day. Equivalent PV cost of 65 cents per watt.

Marcin: /* Conclusions */

2016-04-28T22:23:18Z

Conclusions

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	=Conclusions=		=Conclusions=
	*If accessible modules put out 3W (5% of 60W) and cost $2, then we have a 70 cent per watt cost in TEG modules at maximum efficiency. This translates to a practical 100W system at $70 in peltier cells, plus balance of system for heating and cooling. If a stove is used, and the cold water side is based on a simple radiator (which adds minimally to space heating) - the cost is feasible. Pump - [https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-cobalt-aquatics-e-x-t-in-line-pump?gclid=CL2GhvqOsswCFYU2aQodXcYN2A] - 6W draw, but pump could probably be smaller. $20. Baseboard radiators for cool water heat rejection - $40x2. Aluminum heat sinks - that's the most expensive part - so use simple 1/8"x2"x2" square steel tubing at a dollar per pound. Should be doable at low cost of approximately $250 in parts, making this very competitive with PV prices. A 100W system can produce as much power as a 400W PV system that assumes 6 hrs of light per day.		*If accessible modules put out 3W (5% of 60W) and cost $2, then we have a 70 cent per watt cost in TEG modules at maximum efficiency. This translates to a practical 100W system at $70 in peltier cells, plus balance of system for heating and cooling. If a stove is used, and the cold water side is based on a simple radiator (which adds minimally to space heating) - the cost is feasible. Pump - [https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-cobalt-aquatics-e-x-t-in-line-pump?gclid=CL2GhvqOsswCFYU2aQodXcYN2A] - 6W draw, but pump could probably be smaller. $20. Baseboard radiators for cool water heat rejection - $40x2. Aluminum heat sinks - that's the most expensive part - so use simple 1/8"x2"x2" square steel tubing at a dollar per pound. Should be doable at low cost of approximately $250 in parts, making this very competitive with PV prices. A 100W system can produce as much power as a 400W PV system that assumes 6 hrs of light per day. Equivalent PV cost of 65 cents per watt.