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		<title>Marcin at 04:41, 1 April 2023</title>
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		<updated>2023-04-01T04:41:09Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=Military Production=&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;=Military Production=&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*A square mile nominal facility - &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;about1000 &lt;/del&gt;acre production yields 1500 tons of steel per day from solar energy, or 30 tanks worth of armor.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*A square mile nominal facility - &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;about 1000 &lt;/ins&gt;acre production yields 1500 tons of steel per day from solar energy, or 30 tanks worth of armor&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;. An acre of PV produces 3 MWhr per day, or 1.5 tons of steel from scrap - one month to produce a tank&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Marcin at 04:39, 1 April 2023</title>
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		<updated>2023-04-01T04:39:43Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*A square mile nominal facility - about1000 acre production yields 1500 tons of steel per day from solar energy, or 30 tanks worth of armor.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Russian Economy - Russia is 11th at 1.6T. [https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/]. SA is #1 at about 10x that, $20T. Ukraine is $110B.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Russian Economy - Russia is 11th at 1.6T. [https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/]. SA is #1 at about 10x that, $20T. Ukraine is $110B.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Marcin: /* Weapons Strategy */</title>
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		<updated>2022-03-29T17:51:44Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Weapons Strategy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How does a Stinger compare to a Patriot?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How does a Stinger compare to a Patriot?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How does Patriot compare to a Buk?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How does Patriot compare to a Buk &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;to S300&lt;/ins&gt;?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How does Patriot compare to S400? S400 is apparently half the cost, and looks much better on paper. [https://news.cgtn.com/news/2019-10-10/A-comparison-of-Russia-s-S-400-against-U-S-Patriot-sales-KG9wapLDFu/index.html]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How does Patriot compare to S400? S400 is apparently half the cost, and looks much better on paper. [https://news.cgtn.com/news/2019-10-10/A-comparison-of-Russia-s-S-400-against-U-S-Patriot-sales-KG9wapLDFu/index.html]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriots - too expensive and complicated for now? [https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/patriot-missiles-aren%E2%80%99t-answer-ukrainian-air-defense-197556]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriots - too expensive and complicated for now? [https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/patriot-missiles-aren%E2%80%99t-answer-ukrainian-air-defense-197556]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>Marcin: /* Numbers */</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Numbers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Summary: to kick Russia&amp;#039;s ass overwhelmingly, we need 4x the force, which is achievable either by a bunch of pissed off Ukes at the same number, or an army of regulars 4x the size. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;This &lt;/del&gt;can possibly be measured by the annual spending of Russia. For a point conflict with advanced weapons, that would be say $60B, if typical budgets are 1/4 equipment and 3/4 personnel/O&amp;amp;M. So far, Ukraine got about $3B, which is 1/20 that size - so it would have to work really hard to overcome the enemy. In short - a point budget with immediate arms delivery would be the equivalent annual spending of the aggressor - if the defender has soldiers. That would make it an equivalent of 4 years of the aggressor&amp;#039;s buildup in terms of equipment. That puts the armies on an equal footing. Overwhelming defeat would be an army 10x the size. Thus, the max war budget would need to be $600B for quick victory. This is only in the case that ass has to be kicked, ie, the aggressor did not take on the option of collaborating openly as in the OSE military (peacetime) doctrine - in which case resolution would come for free. In the scenario of collaborative arms development, prior to the emergence of the open source economy - a common peacekeeping function with a large army would be 3x more cost effective than the current two tees [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&amp;amp;source=hp&amp;amp;ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&amp;amp;q=how+much+does+the+entire+world+spend+on+the+military&amp;amp;btnK=Google+Search&amp;amp;oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&amp;amp;gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&amp;amp;sclient=psy-ab&amp;amp;ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&amp;amp;uact=5].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Summary: to kick Russia&amp;#039;s ass overwhelmingly, we need 4x the force, which is achievable either by a bunch of pissed off Ukes at the same number, or an army of regulars 4x the size. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The cost of this &lt;/ins&gt;can possibly be measured by the annual spending of Russia. For a point conflict with advanced weapons, that would be say $60B, if typical budgets are 1/4 equipment and 3/4 personnel/O&amp;amp;M. So far, Ukraine got about $3B, which is 1/20 that size - so it would have to work really hard to overcome the enemy. In short - a point budget with immediate arms delivery would be the equivalent annual spending of the aggressor - if the defender has soldiers. That would make it an equivalent of 4 years of the aggressor&amp;#039;s buildup in terms of equipment. That puts the armies on an equal footing. Overwhelming defeat would be an army 10x the size. Thus, the max war budget would need to be $600B for quick victory. This is only in the case that ass has to be kicked, ie, the aggressor did not take on the option of collaborating openly as in the OSE military (peacetime) doctrine - in which case resolution would come for free. In the scenario of collaborative arms development, prior to the emergence of the open source economy - a common peacekeeping function with a large army would be 3x more cost effective than the current two tees [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&amp;amp;source=hp&amp;amp;ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&amp;amp;q=how+much+does+the+entire+world+spend+on+the+military&amp;amp;btnK=Google+Search&amp;amp;oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&amp;amp;gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&amp;amp;sclient=psy-ab&amp;amp;ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&amp;amp;uact=5].&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Marcin</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Marcin: /* Numbers */</title>
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		<updated>2022-03-29T00:39:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Numbers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 00:39, 29 March 2022&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l13&quot;&gt;Line 13:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Summary: to kick Russia&amp;#039;s ass overwhelmingly, we need 4x the force, which is achievable either by a bunch of pissed off Ukes at the same number, or an army of regulars 4x the size. This can possibly be measured by the annual spending of Russia. For a point conflict with advanced weapons, that would be say $60B, if typical budgets are 1/4 equipment and 3/4 personnel/O&amp;amp;M. So far, Ukraine got about $3B, which is 1/20 that size - so it would have to work really hard to overcome the enemy. In short - a point budget with immediate arms delivery would be the equivalent annual spending of the aggressor - if the defender has soldiers. That would make it an equivalent of 4 years of the aggressor&amp;#039;s buildup in terms of equipment. That puts the armies on an equal footing. Overwhelming defeat would be an army 10x the size. Thus, the max war budget would need to be $600B for quick victory. This is only in the case that ass has to be kicked, ie, the aggressor did not take on the option of collaborating openly as in the OSE military (peacetime) doctrine - in which case resolution would come for free.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Summary: to kick Russia&amp;#039;s ass overwhelmingly, we need 4x the force, which is achievable either by a bunch of pissed off Ukes at the same number, or an army of regulars 4x the size. This can possibly be measured by the annual spending of Russia. For a point conflict with advanced weapons, that would be say $60B, if typical budgets are 1/4 equipment and 3/4 personnel/O&amp;amp;M. So far, Ukraine got about $3B, which is 1/20 that size - so it would have to work really hard to overcome the enemy. In short - a point budget with immediate arms delivery would be the equivalent annual spending of the aggressor - if the defender has soldiers. That would make it an equivalent of 4 years of the aggressor&amp;#039;s buildup in terms of equipment. That puts the armies on an equal footing. Overwhelming defeat would be an army 10x the size. Thus, the max war budget would need to be $600B for quick victory. This is only in the case that ass has to be kicked, ie, the aggressor did not take on the option of collaborating openly as in the OSE military (peacetime) doctrine - in which case resolution would come for free&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;. In the scenario of collaborative arms development, prior to the emergence of the open source economy - a common peacekeeping function with a large army would be 3x more cost effective than the current two tees [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&amp;amp;source=hp&amp;amp;ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&amp;amp;q=how+much+does+the+entire+world+spend+on+the+military&amp;amp;btnK=Google+Search&amp;amp;oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&amp;amp;gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&amp;amp;sclient=psy-ab&amp;amp;ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&amp;amp;uact=5]&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Marcin</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ukraine_War_Calculations&amp;diff=268182&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Marcin: /* Numbers */</title>
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		<updated>2022-03-29T00:37:37Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Numbers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 00:37, 29 March 2022&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Summary: to kick Russia&amp;#039;s ass overwhelmingly, we need 4x the force, which is achievable either by a bunch of pissed off Ukes at the same number, or an army of regulars 4x the size. This can possibly be measured by the annual spending of Russia. For a point conflict with advanced weapons, that would be say $60B, if typical budgets are 1/4 equipment and 3/4 personnel/O&amp;amp;M. So far, Ukraine got about $3B, which is 1/20 that size - so it would have to work really hard to overcome the enemy. In short - a point budget with immediate arms delivery would be the equivalent annual spending of the aggressor - if the defender has soldiers. That would make it an equivalent of 4 years of the aggressor&amp;#039;s buildup. That puts the armies on an equal footing. Overwhelming defeat would be an army 10x the size. Thus, the max war budget would need to be $600B for quick victory. This is only in the case that ass has to be kicked, ie, the aggressor did not take on the option of collaborating openly as in the OSE military (peacetime) doctrine.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Summary: to kick Russia&amp;#039;s ass overwhelmingly, we need 4x the force, which is achievable either by a bunch of pissed off Ukes at the same number, or an army of regulars 4x the size. This can possibly be measured by the annual spending of Russia. For a point conflict with advanced weapons, that would be say $60B, if typical budgets are 1/4 equipment and 3/4 personnel/O&amp;amp;M. So far, Ukraine got about $3B, which is 1/20 that size - so it would have to work really hard to overcome the enemy. In short - a point budget with immediate arms delivery would be the equivalent annual spending of the aggressor - if the defender has soldiers. That would make it an equivalent of 4 years of the aggressor&amp;#039;s buildup &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;in terms of equipment&lt;/ins&gt;. That puts the armies on an equal footing. Overwhelming defeat would be an army 10x the size. Thus, the max war budget would need to be $600B for quick victory. This is only in the case that ass has to be kicked, ie, the aggressor did not take on the option of collaborating openly as in the OSE military (peacetime) doctrine &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;- in which case resolution would come for free&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Marcin</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ukraine_War_Calculations&amp;diff=268181&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Marcin: /* Numbers */</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ukraine_War_Calculations&amp;diff=268181&amp;oldid=prev"/>
		<updated>2022-03-29T00:35:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Numbers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 00:35, 29 March 2022&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l13&quot;&gt;Line 13:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 13:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Summary: to kick Russia&amp;#039;s ass overwhelmingly, we need 4x the force, which is achievable either by a bunch of pissed off Ukes at the same number, or an army of regulars 4x the size. This can possibly be measured by the annual spending of Russia. For a point conflict, that would be say  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Summary: to kick Russia&amp;#039;s ass overwhelmingly, we need 4x the force, which is achievable either by a bunch of pissed off Ukes at the same number, or an army of regulars 4x the size. This can possibly be measured by the annual spending of Russia. For a point conflict &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;with advanced weapons&lt;/ins&gt;, that would be say &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;$60B, if typical budgets are 1/4 equipment and 3/4 personnel/O&amp;amp;M. So far, Ukraine got about $3B, which is 1/20 that size - so it would have to work really hard to overcome the enemy. In short - a point budget with immediate arms delivery would be the equivalent annual spending of the aggressor - if the defender has soldiers. That would make it an equivalent of 4 years of the aggressor&amp;#039;s buildup. That puts the armies on an equal footing. Overwhelming defeat would be an army 10x the size. Thus, the max war budget would need to be $600B for quick victory. This is only in the case that ass has to be kicked, ie, the aggressor did not take on the option of collaborating openly as in the OSE military (peacetime) doctrine.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Marcin</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ukraine_War_Calculations&amp;diff=268180&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Marcin: /* Numbers */</title>
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		<updated>2022-03-29T00:30:46Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Numbers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;table style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122;&quot; data-mw=&quot;interface&quot;&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 00:30, 29 March 2022&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot;&gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*US Federal tax revenue is $4T [https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-tax-revenues-soar#:~:text=Total%20federal%20tax%20revenues%20were,the%20tax%20cut%20in%202017.]. Russia is $400B&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*US Federal tax revenue is $4T [https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-tax-revenues-soar#:~:text=Total%20federal%20tax%20revenues%20were,the%20tax%20cut%20in%202017.]. Russia is $400B&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Military spending - USA 800B, Russia 60B [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/military-spending-by-country]. Ukraine - $6B. USA provided $14B aid to Ukraine on March 22. Of this $3.6B is for arms. [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/03/18/upshot/ukraine-aid-details.html ]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Military spending - USA 800B, Russia 60B [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/military-spending-by-country]. Ukraine - $6B. USA provided $14B aid to Ukraine on March 22. Of this $3.6B is for arms. [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/03/18/upshot/ukraine-aid-details.html ]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Total US discressionary spending is 1.6T.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Total US discressionary spending is 1.6T. [https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;oq=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;aqs=chrome..69i57.8092j0j4&amp;amp;client=ms-android-verizon&amp;amp;sourceid=chrome-mobile&amp;amp;ie=UTF-8]  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;oq=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;aqs=chrome..69i57.8092j0j4&amp;amp;client=ms-android-verizon&amp;amp;sourceid=chrome-mobile&amp;amp;ie=UTF-8]  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Military population - Ukraine 200k, with 900k reserves [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel]. Infographic - [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-all-the-worlds-military-personnel/]. Ukraine has 1M, Russia 3M, but Russia has 1M active. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Armed_Forces]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Military population - Ukraine 200k, with 900k reserves [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel]. Infographic - [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-all-the-worlds-military-personnel/]. Ukraine has 1M, Russia 3M, but Russia has 1M active. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Armed_Forces]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*What does Ukrainian army cosist of at end fo March? 300k active duty, 150k have been called from reserves [https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/03/17/ukraine-is-doubling-its-army-while-russia-scrapes-the-barrel-for-reinforcements/?sh=6b87fafb3c7e]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*What does Ukrainian army cosist of at end fo March? 300k active duty, 150k have been called from reserves [https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/03/17/ukraine-is-doubling-its-army-while-russia-scrapes-the-barrel-for-reinforcements/?sh=6b87fafb3c7e]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Patriot missiles - system is $1B, missile is $1-6M a pop. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*How equipment is moved from US based to Ukraine - [https://theconversation.com/how-weapons-get-to-ukraine-and-whats-needed-to-protect-vulnerable-supply-chains-179285]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*Summary: to kick Russia&amp;#039;s ass overwhelmingly, we need 4x the force, which is achievable either by a bunch of pissed off Ukes at the same number, or an army of regulars 4x the size. This can possibly be measured by the annual spending of Russia. For a point conflict, that would be say &lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Assistance==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*$50B in assistance to Ukraine would provide a large number of missile defense systems, MiG-29s ($24M [https://www.hotcars.com/mig-29-facts/]), and much more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ukraine_War_Calculations&amp;diff=268135&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Marcin: /* Numbers */</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ukraine_War_Calculations&amp;diff=268135&amp;oldid=prev"/>
		<updated>2022-03-28T19:01:37Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Numbers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 19:01, 28 March 2022&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l2&quot;&gt;Line 2:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 2:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Russian Economy - Russia is 11th at 1.6T. [https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/]. SA is #1 at about 10x that, $20T. Ukraine is $110B.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Russian Economy - Russia is 11th at 1.6T. [https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/]. SA is #1 at about 10x that, $20T. Ukraine is $110B.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*US Federal tax revenue is $4T [https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-tax-revenues-soar#:~:text=Total%20federal%20tax%20revenues%20were,the%20tax%20cut%20in%202017.]. Russia is $400B&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*US Federal tax revenue is $4T [https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-tax-revenues-soar#:~:text=Total%20federal%20tax%20revenues%20were,the%20tax%20cut%20in%202017.]. Russia is $400B&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Military spending - USA 800B, Russia 60B [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/military-spending-by-country]. Ukraine - $6B. USA provided $14B aid to Ukraine on March 22. Of this $3.6B is for arms. [https://www.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;cato&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;org&lt;/del&gt;/&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;blog&lt;/del&gt;/&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;federal-tax&lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;revenues&lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;soar#:~:text=Total%20federal%20tax%20revenues%20were,the%20tax%20cut%20in%202017&lt;/del&gt;.]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Military spending - USA 800B, Russia 60B [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/military-spending-by-country]. Ukraine - $6B. USA provided $14B aid to Ukraine on March 22. Of this $3.6B is for arms. [https://www.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;nytimes&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;com&lt;/ins&gt;/&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;interactive&lt;/ins&gt;/&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;2022/03/18/upshot/ukraine&lt;/ins&gt;-&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;aid&lt;/ins&gt;-&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;details&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;html &lt;/ins&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Total US discressionary spending is 1.6T.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Total US discressionary spending is 1.6T.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;oq=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;aqs=chrome..69i57.8092j0j4&amp;amp;client=ms-android-verizon&amp;amp;sourceid=chrome-mobile&amp;amp;ie=UTF-8]  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;oq=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;aqs=chrome..69i57.8092j0j4&amp;amp;client=ms-android-verizon&amp;amp;sourceid=chrome-mobile&amp;amp;ie=UTF-8]  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Marcin</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ukraine_War_Calculations&amp;diff=268134&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Marcin: /* Numbers */</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/index.php?title=Ukraine_War_Calculations&amp;diff=268134&amp;oldid=prev"/>
		<updated>2022-03-28T19:00:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Numbers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 19:00, 28 March 2022&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l2&quot;&gt;Line 2:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 2:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Russian Economy - Russia is 11th at 1.6T. [https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/]. SA is #1 at about 10x that, $20T. Ukraine is $110B.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Russian Economy - Russia is 11th at 1.6T. [https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/]. SA is #1 at about 10x that, $20T. Ukraine is $110B.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*US Federal tax revenue is $4T [https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-tax-revenues-soar#:~:text=Total%20federal%20tax%20revenues%20were,the%20tax%20cut%20in%202017.]. Russia is $400B&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*US Federal tax revenue is $4T [https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-tax-revenues-soar#:~:text=Total%20federal%20tax%20revenues%20were,the%20tax%20cut%20in%202017.]. Russia is $400B&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Military spending - USA 800B, Russia 60B [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/military-spending-by-country]. Ukraine - $6B. USA provided $14B aid to Ukraine on March 22. Of this $3.6B is for arms.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Military spending - USA 800B, Russia 60B [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/military-spending-by-country]. Ukraine - $6B. USA provided $14B aid to Ukraine on March 22. Of this $3.6B is for arms. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-tax-revenues-soar#:~:text=Total%20federal%20tax%20revenues%20were,the%20tax%20cut%20in%202017.]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Total US discressionary spending is 1.6T.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Total US discressionary spending is 1.6T.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;oq=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;aqs=chrome..69i57.8092j0j4&amp;amp;client=ms-android-verizon&amp;amp;sourceid=chrome-mobile&amp;amp;ie=UTF-8]  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;oq=what+is+Ukraine%27s+military+spend&amp;amp;aqs=chrome..69i57.8092j0j4&amp;amp;client=ms-android-verizon&amp;amp;sourceid=chrome-mobile&amp;amp;ie=UTF-8]  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Marcin</name></author>
	</entry>
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