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recording economic value
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of 3d printing from trash

* 00:07 given 150 just the review 150 million 00:10 tons of waste plastic are generated per 00:12 year which is enough for about 50 million houses at 10 tons of trash per house i'm speaking bluntly

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here
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because these are going to be beautiful
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houses

* 00:26 and if you multiply that by 50000 that we can make per after cost this this is our current model that it's about 50k cost 50k revenue on top of that we're making 750 billion out of 15 million 15 million times 50 000 is 750 billion

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now that's significant and what's the
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argument on can we capture even a small
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fraction of that
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well it's entrepreneurial savvy
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if we can pull off this contest yeah
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yeah absolutely so i think it there's no
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short answer outside of focus hard work
uh but 

* 01:09 we don't have to do it alone this is the purpose of collaboration that's if we can if we can collaborate to do this that's the that's the kind of message we got to be putting out the it's a 750 billion dollar market

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right now that's not being tapped it's
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ending up polluting our environment
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let's do something about it people and
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organize so our challenge i think
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a lot is to communicate that message
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effectively
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like so you said we already have the
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infrastructure you have the
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plastic shutter and you can you know we
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can make the printer
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well there is bigger scale yeah yeah we
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have i mean
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you have to be careful kind of like how
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you say that because we we do and we
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don't
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right we have to develop to that level
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um
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but i think all the indications are
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there that that it's quite doable and
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we can definitely on paper see that okay
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you do this and you get this result so
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we can engineer a system that does that
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so i think
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it's quite doable but then to get to
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those prototypes and
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machines that are robust and work well
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that takes the effort and that's 

* 02:09 that's where we need the collaboration because just like in software it takes hundreds and thousands of iterations until you get it absolutely right it's that's just the development process

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that's the nature of it so
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that's where we're at on it i'd love to
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see the
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uh also the like for earthen printing
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like we do compressed earth block but
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you know imagine chewing up the saw and
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adding concrete that you generated from
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local
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local rock on site very interesting and
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especially relevant to other planets if
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you can do that on other planets like
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people are talking like okay mars well
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how are you going to do it there you're
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going to have to do something like that

* 02:48 did you see the challenge that nasa put out recently to 3d print mars habitats

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oh yeah yeah i've seen a little bit of
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that mm-hmm yeah
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they were making like egg-shaped houses
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yeah and um
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yeah i'd be curious like you know with a
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discussion before about proprietary like
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okay is the result open or is it just
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the proprietary effort
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are they going to actually publish that
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i think they're going to publish
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but if you look at that contest i don't
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think it's collaborative
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i haven't seen anything else that's not
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been it was strictly competitive
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yeah so let's do better and see see what
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we can do
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but i mean i don't know i don't
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understand why people don't get that
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part
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do we think that actually people are
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will not be motivated because they're
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collaborating
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i don't think so maybe we got a um
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maybe it's a block for some people but
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in general i don't think that's the
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block
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um so that still is a live question why
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aren't people
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designing these contests to be
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collaborative what do you guys think
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people are afraid of being copied but
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most people aren't going to go and copy
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your work
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this weird mental model people have
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that you can only do that in a
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proprietary way and there is 200 years
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of proprietary
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industrial history which influences the
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way people think
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but it's so funny to see people trapped
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in that like people just can't believe
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that and
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yeah but i think there's there's also
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been a lot of difficulty developing
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business models around open source
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hardware um
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that's right i mean there's been like

* 04:18 like i had mentioned in another day that there had been different projects that they were successful at first and then texas instruments decides you know we can do this at scale at a cheaper price than they can and then all of a sudden they uh realize okay now that texas instruments is in the game we have to develop niche products and so i think there needs to be more creativity around creating business models that work for open source hardware

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yeah so i think part yeah yeah no that's
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true though
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and we have to design some of that into
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this saying this is how the revenue
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model would work
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at the end of the day so one is the
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developing developing incentive
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challenge that christian was saying
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second one is okay if we build these
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houses
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uh what about it makes it that
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it's not it's going to get sucked up by
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an evil corporation
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well i think it's the simple fact that
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it's open source and
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decentralized we're designing a
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decentralized product a collaborative
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product so we have to
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the people we absorb into the the effort
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they have to get the idea that we're
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collaborating
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and um
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there's one there i mean there's
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definitely revenue right
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right there's money involved but then
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it's to really solve
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a problem a pressing issue i mean that's
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the
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that's really the bulk of the yeah
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um well is it the fact that
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um it will be potentially a niche
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product because

* um i don't know if you can take plastic lumber and build in a city part of it is getting uh this contest is gonna involve stuff like getting certification that's where this becomes bigger than i mean this is big like just like boxable there they got their stuff certified and stuff like that that's part of it that's that's going to be part of the business development pushing for the changes that are necessary to be able to build in a way and not even change

it's
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safe it's still works not even changes
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it's just
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certification here's a stamp that says
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this is a legit product yeah
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yeah i mean we that's part of the game
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because uh so we're innovating on
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several fronts here
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but all the due diligence like any
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company we're solving business problems
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that's a business problem for anybody
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right like okay is that gonna be just
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like boxable i had a business problem
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can they certify their house so they
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don't have to mess with codes a lot
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right
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this is nothing different than industry
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standard but
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the point is we have to do those steps
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they're part of the game

* 06:58 and that's why we need so many people and so much collaboration so we're  designing the business model around that i think the the short answer to the question okay now what's the revenue model around it we're designing i think the short answer is we're designing for distributed production so the business model is based on here you you have about 5 000 or 10 000 in capital maybe more but we're reducing the capital barriers way down right build one house and you pay back for this

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the challenging part is getting that
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technology to the point that it's ready
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for prime time
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that you can just relatively simply go
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either have like a community facility
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where oh yeah i'm gonna rent this
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facility for a few days i'm gonna make
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my uh panels
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that could be a business model you have
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to design it in um
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however we do it but like up front you
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can think creatively and say okay
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whether it's a
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community-based manufacturing facility
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business model
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or it's entrepreneurs just going off
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independently around the world some
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franchise
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open franchise training operation how
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are you going to roll it out

* 08:03 we have to think about we have to propose some solutions on that so so i would say that's like business development here's some value propositions we're creating and pursuing actually executing on those value propositions here's the operations that substantiate that and this is the the dollars we're gonna see and make a livelihood while absolutely collaborating the whole time

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right so uh it's all new because people
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don't think about this
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but that's great it's an opportunity
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it's a challenge and an opportunity
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everything is that like that
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we have to give some thought to that and
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we already are
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and we're moving this forward so this is
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good yeah
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and i'm recording this so we can uh have
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other people contribute to this
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and ideally we would have this this
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effort accrete
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enough mass that we solve it and i and
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the
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the lubricant here is the incentive
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challenge
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hopefully so we'll see so i think for me
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i could probably be doing things like
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okay let's get let's contact some
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sponsors i'm in a ted community
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i'm in the shuttleworth fellows
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community like i got some access to
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to resource that i could say hey people
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this is this is worth doing
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so we have to attract them with this is
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purpose we got purpose
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and this is a big hairy audacious goal
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it's worth solving we we asked
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a good question this is the this is what
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we can
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propose to the world and then pursue
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getting additional support yeah
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and we you know we're actually doing
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this stuff we're not just dreaming about
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this we're building these universal axes
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and extruders and high temperature
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chambers we can
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weld and 3d print and and cad design and
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we've got a posse of us here in the
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summer that are doing it that's
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that's already a great start we've got
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some something going on we're not just
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bluffing we're not kidding here this is
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possible
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yeah that's great
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it's really promising yeah it is it is i
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am quite excited so i'm ready i'm ready
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um
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it's 10 46 i'm gonna stick around a
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little more we'll break for lunch and
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let's reconvene at
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at one but i mean we're still going a
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little more but i think what i could do
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definitely
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the value i could add by all means is
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try to see when we can get that 250
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raise that 100 to 250. so

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maybe you guys can help me uh write
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write that message so the messaging is
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key and stuff like that um you guys
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actually writing right now or
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like getting the ideas down or you're
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studying the system yeah

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um i made a wikipedia just to kind of
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know
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the different things we're talking about
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it's like the engineering effort the
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revenue business model
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the collaborative effort between the
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individuals that come here
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and i guess maybe the mindset
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can you link that from this document
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because this is uh or
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did you see you missed it but there was
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a page um there's another link
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to yeah
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no we just someone put up a template
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david who joined us he put a template
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for today's day and that was one i think
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120 design lessons
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day three let's share that in the log
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let's
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share it in the chat i just linked
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directly from my page but i'll i'll just
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add it in there just
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so we all day three okay so click on
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that link
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for day three and
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let's do this like on the let's have 120
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pages like this at the end of the day
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but inside each you got the working doc
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you got like the video for the day all

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the notes that people
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took and stuff like that so we could do
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a little template on that
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um let's do that so um and we already
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got it we got that seated until
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day nine so far just a little seed but
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we can improve that and get the template
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up to up to speed

* 11:57 uh what do you think about arrow like aero aircrete eric aerated concrete what kind of applications do you think that could have yeah that's pretty good it's um but it's the more air you put in and the weaker it is so that's kind of the trick to it maybe you don't do structural with it if it's too airy and um i've never done it so i can't i can't really comment much about it idea sounds right especially once again if we go to the solar concrete part so i think with the concrete in general there's the idea that okay here we have a lot of lime but what else do we got to put in it to make it i think there's a lot of innovation between there's like geopolymers concretes and stuff like that like i don't think we humanity knows anything about that stuff it's like i think there's so much room for innovation around around that just the materials side because cement companies are going to be doing that forever like they're industry standard right now they're

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i think they're innovating too much
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so that's like the citizen science and
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getting people involved in this once
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again open
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open engineering or public engineering
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as i say
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that could benefit everybody um
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like geopolymers man that's that's a
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whole class of other stuff
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um if done in a decentralized way or
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or just more research around it for
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various different options just like with
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anything like technology of course
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always improves and
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imagine if we really unleash that kind
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of creative power to
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to to do what's really possible because
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right now we think we're amazing
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and all that we've got computers but
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we'll look back a hundred years from now
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and be like wow that was dumb
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stuff like that i mean that's that's
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just uh that's just progress and
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we want to use use whatever we got in a
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wise way and we always say that
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use what already exists uh don't don't
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need to
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invent anything new right now if we just
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used what what really works right now
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we'd already be good
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so yeah
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good stuff good stuff
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and my other question is where are
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people throwing up any videos like are
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you
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you guys that uh putting any of that on
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i'm putting all my stuff on
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on the osc or my channel um
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people are we should be linking once
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again the main page the
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120 design lessons day three like we
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should have links to all people's
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other videos if you can put it up which
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you did yesterday
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just keep throwing stuff up to youtube
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just an easy way to do it
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because then we can go back to it and if
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you think it you know might not have a
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lot i mean we can study it like
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i did the time lapse yesterday we can
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study that for information and
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get insights and media out of that so
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just i mean just get it up there
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and that was the purpose of the oc video
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assets page just
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get um get links to everything there
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but for now we can do definitely that
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supports our learnings right now day
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three
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okay here's media that we can feed into
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it and we can pick from that
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later on you know even if it seems like
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a bunch of random stuff
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someone who's a good editor can make
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gold out of that you know
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yeah that was the idea yeah i was trying
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to shoot
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as much i just started yesterday
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shooting yeah 4k video
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yeah but is there a way you can you can
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upload it somewhere just go to youtube
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man just
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bam we got bandwidth here so