Open Source Car Concept

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- Nice - Marcin

Conversation with Dan Foukes

It's 200/200, not 2000/200

No transportation outside of walking or cycling is necessary at that scale. For connection to other hubs, I suggest train. For transit to remote locations, I suggest a 200 mpg equivalent modern steam engine microcar hybrid.

1. We have a concept in mind similar to Urbee. Can you help us draw a concept with similar aerodynamics? We are considering a 1000 lb, 12-18 hp, hydraulic drive car, first plain gasoline, then moving to hybrid.

• • response1) creating a vehicle form scratch, modify something current, or recycle something from the past?

Modern with a 3D printed body using an open source printer. Urbee has a printed body.

for an example, google:cushman truckster.

Not highway safe.

hybrid is still in basic development. what about bio-diesel? you can make it your self.

How about modern steam fueled by pelletized biomass? We should have this in one year. In the meantime, gas or biodiesel is fine.

1. statement2)For the truck, we want a Unimog-like car with suspension, 60 mph. Main task is to design the suspension and steering, and then we can prototype. Once again - hydrauilic drive for add-on power units.

• • response2)what tonage is the unimog?

1 ton equivalent (F350) cargo capacity should be our first cut. It should have serious traction power like a F350 to do things like haul 20,000 lb of woodchips from 30 miles away, on a trailer. \

how much tonnage do you need? a ford or chevy diesel stake truck to run on bio diesel i think would work fine. would his vehicle be used to move the different equipment around?

yes, it would have attachment plates and hydraulic takeoff to handle anything that the tractor can.

in your list of 50 machines, what about a crane or forklift for loading and unloading equipment?

There is already the Tractor; a forklift is an inexpensive attachment for the quick-connect plate.

let me know what you think.

Some thoughts from Mark Rudnicki on the Open Source Car:

- Basing the OSCar on the Urbee would allow for radically faster development than starting from scratch. I suggest that Marcin contact Jim Kor and make a pitch for him to open source the Urbee.

- RepRap machines or modified larger versions could be used to produce the body panels for the OSCar, but it's unknown how resilient these panels would be to things like bumping and extreme heat and cold. If we find that RepRapped panels are not durable enough, then perhaps RepRap machines could be used to produce forms from which fiberglass or carbon fiber composite body panels would be produced.

- Using a three-wheel design like that of the Urbee would probably allow for the OSCar to be registered in all U.S. states as a motorcycle and therefore avoid a lot of legal requirements such as crash test standards.

- Using a three-wheel design would allow for the back wheel to be directly driven which would obviate a differential, shafts, etc.

- Using a hybrid hydraulic system would allow us to exploit Power Cube technology. The drive wheel would be coupled directly to a compact hydraulic motor. Regeneration from braking could also be conveniently exploited.

- Using a fairly large accumulator would allow for good city fuel efficiency and good acceleration.

- The coefficient of drag of the Urbee is quite good: 0.146 according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient. <math>Insert formula here</math>

- Plastic windows are preferred due to their lower weight over glass windows, but the windshield may have to be glass due to scratching problems with plastic.

- As many off-the-shelf parts as possible should be used to allow for quick development. Such parts could later be replaced by similar open source parts.

- A rough calculation for fuel efficiency assuming that is 130+ MPG at 60 MPH assuming that an engine with good efficiency at a 10 HP output would be used.

- The engine must have a electric starter and electronic fuel injection (EFI) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injection#Electronic) in order for it to start quickly and reliably in all weather conditions. Engines with EFI are also more fuel efficient and less polluting than those with carburetors. A hybrid hydraulic version of the OSCar will by design have an engine that regularly starts and stops during city driving.

- The smallest engines that I've been able to find so far which have EFI are made by Kohler. The ECH360 (http://www.kohlerengines.com/onlinecatalog/productDetail.htm?productNumber=Command%20PRO%20EFI%20ECH630) has a rated power of 19 HP, which is the lowest in their line of EFI engines. At the most efficient operating point of this engine, which I assume to be at about 2800 RPM at wide open throttle (WOT) (where peak torque occurs on this plot: http://www.kohlerengines.com/onlinecatalog/jpg195x290/ech630_max_torque.jpg) the power output of this engine is about 16 HP which is well over the estimated 10 HP that will be needed for the OSCar. This means that this engine is too big for the OSCar and different engine will need to be found. Maybe we'll have to fit an 3rd party EFI to the OSCar engine