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*Pain threshold for a human is 106F [https://1800anytyme.com/blog/how-water-how-hot-is-too-hot/] | *Pain threshold for a human is 106F [https://1800anytyme.com/blog/how-water-how-hot-is-too-hot/] | ||
*If water is 60F year round from a supply - does 39F rise (see [[Tankless Electric Water Heater]]) suffice? | |||
**60+39= 99F. | |||
*Average shower temp is 105F [https://showerdrape.com/whats-your-average-shower-temperature/] | |||
**This article says that 99F is better, so you potentially avoid eczema | |||
*It appears that 120F water is a relic of long piping - the hotter the temp the quicker your water will get warm. But for on-demand, lower temperatures appear to be better. | |||
*Thus - minimize piping length to point of use. [[Seed Eco-Home specification is keeping heater distance to within 4' of point of use. | |||
*Tap water is 40-70F if coming from a well - depending on USA location - [https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-range-of-temperature-for-tap-water-Why-is-this-range-the-correct-one]. Varies for surface water. | |||
*Ground temperature varies significantly with seasons, unless you are 30' deep. [https://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Cooling/EarthTemperatures.htm] | |||
*Earth temperature is constant 30' below surface - this is called the mean earth temp. [https://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Cooling/EarthTemperatures.htm]. | |||
*Earth temp varies significantly with seasons - to full seasonal variation - at surface. [https://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Cooling/EarthTemperatures.htm], Thus, water pipes, at 3' or so below, show large variation of seasonal temperature. | |||
*Human body is 98-100F. <strike>Anything higher than body temp feels warm.</strike>. No, it's about the temperature of the skin - which is around 32C (90F). Thus, the absolute minimum shower temp must be 90F for it not to be uncomfortable. [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=human+body+temperature&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. From [https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/15uim3/eli5_why_does_986_degree_water_feel_hot_if_thats/] | |||
*If 90 is minimum acceptable, then minimum ground temperature of water must be 51F. | |||
*this can be alleviated with a tank kept at room temperature inside the house. | |||
*Design around Bricor 0.625 gpm shower head. [https://www.bricor.com/products/ultramax/] | |||
*Assume house temp is 68-78F [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=comfortable+house+temperature&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5] | |||
*'''Assuming that house temperature is 68F and up all year - use this ambient temperature to preheat water by leaving a water tank exposed to this temperature. This can effectively almost halve the heating energy use for water.''' | |||
*0.32 gpm flow from a 1.8 kw heater which produces 39F temp rise - gets us from 68 to 107F. If we dilute this half way - then we have 19.5 rise from 68 - or 87.5F. Marginal for comfort, we could use more heat. | |||
=Links= | |||
*[[Water Heating Calculator]] | |||
*[[Tankless Electric Water Heater]] | |||
Latest revision as of 22:23, 5 March 2021
- Pain threshold for a human is 106F [1]
- If water is 60F year round from a supply - does 39F rise (see Tankless Electric Water Heater) suffice?
- 60+39= 99F.
- Average shower temp is 105F [2]
- This article says that 99F is better, so you potentially avoid eczema
- It appears that 120F water is a relic of long piping - the hotter the temp the quicker your water will get warm. But for on-demand, lower temperatures appear to be better.
- Thus - minimize piping length to point of use. [[Seed Eco-Home specification is keeping heater distance to within 4' of point of use.
- Tap water is 40-70F if coming from a well - depending on USA location - [3]. Varies for surface water.
- Ground temperature varies significantly with seasons, unless you are 30' deep. [4]
- Earth temperature is constant 30' below surface - this is called the mean earth temp. [5].
- Earth temp varies significantly with seasons - to full seasonal variation - at surface. [6], Thus, water pipes, at 3' or so below, show large variation of seasonal temperature.
- Human body is 98-100F.
Anything higher than body temp feels warm.. No, it's about the temperature of the skin - which is around 32C (90F). Thus, the absolute minimum shower temp must be 90F for it not to be uncomfortable. [7]. From [8] - If 90 is minimum acceptable, then minimum ground temperature of water must be 51F.
- this can be alleviated with a tank kept at room temperature inside the house.
- Design around Bricor 0.625 gpm shower head. [9]
- Assume house temp is 68-78F [10]
- Assuming that house temperature is 68F and up all year - use this ambient temperature to preheat water by leaving a water tank exposed to this temperature. This can effectively almost halve the heating energy use for water.
- 0.32 gpm flow from a 1.8 kw heater which produces 39F temp rise - gets us from 68 to 107F. If we dilute this half way - then we have 19.5 rise from 68 - or 87.5F. Marginal for comfort, we could use more heat.