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*60C - [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=max+IBC+tote+temp&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5] | *60C - [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=max+IBC+tote+temp&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Yes, 140F. | ||
*160F max temp. [https://blog.containerexchanger.com/are-food-grade-ibc-totes-temperature-controlled/#:~:text=More%20Ways%20to%20Control%20Temperature%20of%20IBC%20Totes&text=Make%20sure%20to%20always%20reference,stored%20in%20the%20proper%20container.] | *160F max temp. [https://blog.containerexchanger.com/are-food-grade-ibc-totes-temperature-controlled/#:~:text=More%20Ways%20to%20Control%20Temperature%20of%20IBC%20Totes&text=Make%20sure%20to%20always%20reference,stored%20in%20the%20proper%20container.] | ||
*140 F max fill temp on this one- [https://innovativefluids.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Tote-Tank-Specifications.pdf] | *140 F max fill temp on this one- [https://innovativefluids.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Tote-Tank-Specifications.pdf] | ||
Revision as of 01:13, 10 February 2023
About
Can be stacked 2 high when full - 330 Gallon Tote
Specifications
- 60C - [1]. Yes, 140F.
- 160F max temp. [2]
- 140 F max fill temp on this one- [3]
- Max fill temperature - [4] - is that continuous or only for filling?
140F [5]- Dimensions see [6]
- Permeation of hydrogen through HDPE - [7]
- 20 lb propane tank - 4 gal of propane = 3 gge. Thus, 1.3 gge hydrogen is almost half a propane tank.
- $100/tote easy used. $400/new.
- Honda 1000EU gives 1kwhr for a quart of gas.
- Tesla PowerWall is 14kWhr at $14k installed [8]
- IBC totes for hydrogen yield
Energy Storage
- From 80F to 140F, we have 60F, so using Water Heating Calculator - we get 37 kWhr stored per tote. 24000 BTU is 7 kW.
- Thus, we store 5 hours of a heat pump's thermal output in a single IBC tote! This is very much practical for thermal storage in winter.
- We would need 5 totes to store heat for one day, 10 totes for 2 days' worth. This appears to be a practical option.
- However, standard heat pumps output 92F heat. Thus, a different working fluid would need to be used to achieve a higher temperature. This would be a good point of innovation for off-grid storage
- The immeidiate solution is to use PV to heat via resistive heating. We would need a minimum of 16 hours heat per day, or 112 kWhr. Assuming only 6 hours of light in the winter, this would need a 19kW PV panel system. Not good. Or, a wind turbine.
Hydrogen Storage
- 8 totes, 2 high - 250 gal ea - give 16 cubic meters of storage. 12 cubic meters per GGE. Thus, 1.3 gge and Honda EU1000 equivalent of 5kWhr.
- Space requirement is a Power House of 16'x16' - considering interior overflow space. Could be part of Utility House with aquaponics.
- 10kWhr from a 16x16 house module with firewall.
- 1/2l min hydrogen producer. 33 hours per cubic meter - 17 days per kg.
- Clearly production rate must increase - which is fine - as the generator is a tiny one at 150W of power. We need a kg/day - or a generator of about 2.4 kW. Which is quite sizeable: gets into real power electronics on a home scale, comparable in complexity to a heat pump.