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*Take 2.5 ton weights - about a cubic meter | *Take 2.5 ton weights - about a cubic meter | ||
*One 2.5 ton weight raised 30 meters - takes MGH=2500*10*30=750,000 joules=750k watt-seconds | *One 2.5 ton weight raised 30 meters - takes MGH=2500*10*30=750,000 joules=750k watt-seconds | ||
*750kWs=20 kW minutes = 0.3 kWhr | *750kWs=20 kW minutes = 0.3 kWhr. 3 weights of a cubic meter give 1 kWhr. But at $300 concrete cost off the shelf. So mix your own concrete - and do 1/5 the cost for concrete. 1kWhr for $60 in concrete cost - simple DIY if $10 bag of 100 lb cement - $20 makes 1 ton of concrete if no aggregate cost. Absolute minimum - $50/weight if aggregate is free - just cement cost. | ||
*'''Not bad'''. | *'''Not bad'''. But concrete cost itself is $150/kWhr - which kills it right there. Aim for $30/kWhr by lower cost cement mix in bulk. | ||
*Take 30 such blocks - about 30 meters tall - one column - and energy in there is 30*2500*10*15 - with 15 average height raise. | *Take 30 such blocks - about 30 meters tall - one column - and energy in there is 30*2500*10*15 - with 15 average height raise. | ||
*That is 4.5 kWhr | *That is 4.5 kWhr | ||
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*For much smaller scale - say 10 meters tall and blocks of 2 tons - take 100 blocks - | *For much smaller scale - say 10 meters tall and blocks of 2 tons - take 100 blocks - | ||
*$100/cu yd of concrete - bioconcrete or burned limestone could be a trick here. | *$100/cu yd of concrete - bioconcrete or burned limestone could be a trick here. | ||
* | *Take 100 yards of concrete mix - $10,000 | ||
*Tower - $10k in materials | |||
*$20k cost total | |||
*100 blocks * 2500*10*5=12.5 MJ = 3.5 kWhr * 80% efficiency = 2.8Kwhr | |||
*2.8kWhr for $20k? 10 meter tall Doesn't make sense. | |||
*But 120' = 10kWhr - is better. | |||
*Check out this crane for 140' tall, 30 ton capacity - $25k - [https://cranenetwork.com/crane/truck-mounted-lattice-boom-cranes/p-h/430-tc/139417] | |||
*Basic cost - | |||
=Bulk Cement= | |||
*$75/ton - [https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-best-factory-direct-cement_60751912342.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.14.674c45d4QOxbhq&s=p] min order of 100 tons | |||
*1000 kg for $75 vs $10 for 50 kg - 1/3 the cost. So go from $50 to $17/ cubic meter weight | |||
*100' height - 30 meters - 100 of these weights - cost - $1700. Then recycled steel beams - 33kWhr storage. At $1700 concrete, and $1700 for tower - $100/kwhr | |||
=Conclusion= | |||
*Regeneratively grown biomass turned to charcoal is 3kWhr/gallon - so $1/kWhr of useful energy. That is the easiest carbon-neutral storage option, followed by [[Saturated Water]] and [[Hydrogen Storage]]. | |||
Latest revision as of 01:55, 12 October 2018
- 1 cubic meter of concrete weighs 2400 kg
- MGH - energy if taken up to 100 meters with a crane
- Common cranes are 80m max and 20ton capacity - [1]
- Take 30 meters tall and 2.5 ton capacity (practical village scale). Can double up as an observatory or sky diner on top.
- Take 2.5 ton weights - about a cubic meter
- One 2.5 ton weight raised 30 meters - takes MGH=2500*10*30=750,000 joules=750k watt-seconds
- 750kWs=20 kW minutes = 0.3 kWhr. 3 weights of a cubic meter give 1 kWhr. But at $300 concrete cost off the shelf. So mix your own concrete - and do 1/5 the cost for concrete. 1kWhr for $60 in concrete cost - simple DIY if $10 bag of 100 lb cement - $20 makes 1 ton of concrete if no aggregate cost. Absolute minimum - $50/weight if aggregate is free - just cement cost.
- Not bad. But concrete cost itself is $150/kWhr - which kills it right there. Aim for $30/kWhr by lower cost cement mix in bulk.
- Take 30 such blocks - about 30 meters tall - one column - and energy in there is 30*2500*10*15 - with 15 average height raise.
- That is 4.5 kWhr
- To make this practical - would need many such towers. Geometry, stabilization, handling are the keys - how to achieve a sound design?
- In principle sounds like a great idea, if the automation and CV AI can help
- For much smaller scale - say 10 meters tall and blocks of 2 tons - take 100 blocks -
- $100/cu yd of concrete - bioconcrete or burned limestone could be a trick here.
- Take 100 yards of concrete mix - $10,000
- Tower - $10k in materials
- $20k cost total
- 100 blocks * 2500*10*5=12.5 MJ = 3.5 kWhr * 80% efficiency = 2.8Kwhr
- 2.8kWhr for $20k? 10 meter tall Doesn't make sense.
- But 120' = 10kWhr - is better.
- Check out this crane for 140' tall, 30 ton capacity - $25k - [2]
- Basic cost -
Bulk Cement
- $75/ton - [3] min order of 100 tons
- 1000 kg for $75 vs $10 for 50 kg - 1/3 the cost. So go from $50 to $17/ cubic meter weight
- 100' height - 30 meters - 100 of these weights - cost - $1700. Then recycled steel beams - 33kWhr storage. At $1700 concrete, and $1700 for tower - $100/kwhr
Conclusion
- Regeneratively grown biomass turned to charcoal is 3kWhr/gallon - so $1/kWhr of useful energy. That is the easiest carbon-neutral storage option, followed by Saturated Water and Hydrogen Storage.