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=About=
*'''Penny size is bullshit. Penny size applied to different nail types means a different length!''' Read this - [https://gfestructures.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/framing-nails-what-nail-should-you-use-when-installing-a-hanger/]
*Joist hanger names were called Tico nails [https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2013/01/tico-10d-common-nails/].
**If double top plate - then 1.5" is not the limitation and 3" nails should be used.
**Sometimes 10D refers to diameter, as Tice 1.5" are called 10D - read comments at [https://www.hansenpolebuildings.com/2013/01/tico-10d-common-nails/]
*Building code defines a 10D nail as a .148 nail, 3" long [https://www.structuremag.org/?p=10131#:~:text=For%20years%2C%20the%20building%20code,each%20of%20the%20nail%20specifications.]
*1" is 2D [https://www.buildmyowncabin.com/framing/nail-size-chart.html]. Note that penny size came historically from cost of the nails in pennies. So the length is not proportial to D size. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_(unit)#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%2C%20the,size%2C%20depending%20on%20nail%20type.]. The only thing we know is that the larger the D number, the larger the nail.
*1" is 2D [https://www.buildmyowncabin.com/framing/nail-size-chart.html]. Note that penny size came historically from cost of the nails in pennies. So the length is not proportial to D size. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_(unit)#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%2C%20the,size%2C%20depending%20on%20nail%20type.]. The only thing we know is that the larger the D number, the larger the nail.
*10D is 3" long - [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/nails/common-nails/grip-fast-reg-3-10d-hot-dipped-galvanized-smooth-shank-common-nails/2295009/p-1444445206798-c-8759.htm]
*10D is 3" long - [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/nails/common-nails/grip-fast-reg-3-10d-hot-dipped-galvanized-smooth-shank-common-nails/2295009/p-1444445206798-c-8759.htm]
*Joist hanger nails do not seem to have D size attached to them - this one is 1.5" [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/nails/joist-hanger-nails/grip-fast-reg-1-1-2-hot-dipped-galvanized-joist-hanger-nail-30-lb-bucket/227-1700/p-1444445207851-c-8766.htm?tid=-5918728807171005053&ipos=1]
*Joist hanger nails do not seem to have D size attached to them - this one is 1.5" [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/nails/joist-hanger-nails/grip-fast-reg-1-1-2-hot-dipped-galvanized-joist-hanger-nail-30-lb-bucket/227-1700/p-1444445207851-c-8766.htm?tid=-5918728807171005053&ipos=1]
*This 8D is 1.5" long [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/nails/joist-hanger-nails/mitek-reg-8d-x-1-1-2-gold-coated-joist-hanger-nail-1-lb-box/n8-gc/p-1444445509518-c-8766.htm?tid=1801644538233378281&ipos=4]. Is that an error? Chart says 8D is 2.5".
*This 8D is 1.5" long [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/nails/joist-hanger-nails/mitek-reg-8d-x-1-1-2-gold-coated-joist-hanger-nail-1-lb-box/n8-gc/p-1444445509518-c-8766.htm?tid=1801644538233378281&ipos=4]. Is that an error? Chart says 8D is 2.5".
*3.5" common nail, galvanized. 16D [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/nails/common-nails/grip-fast-reg-3-1-2-16d-hot-dipped-galvanized-smooth-shank-common-nails/2295010/p-1444445209297-c-8759.htm?tid=-8254341631963228875&ipos=2]
=Mitek Teco Nails + Gun=
*Joist hanger nail gun
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=Positive Placement Nail Gun=
Get yourself a hurricane tie gun
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*Gun - $250 [https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-35-Degree-Pneumatic-Metal-Connector-Nailer-DWMC150/205647682]
*Metal connector gun nails - 6.5 cents each - [https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-1-1-2-in-x-0-131-in-Galvanized-Metal-Connecting-Nails-2000-per-Box-DWMC13115G-2M/205644639]
*Metabo joist hanger gun - $200  - [https://www.amazon.com/Metabo-HPT-NR38AK-Strap-Tite-Pre-punched/dp/B07MLKGGLP/ref=sxin_15_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.f0c5ad8f-c1b9-48f0-8868-482b84b2d5eb%3Aamzn1.sym.f0c5ad8f-c1b9-48f0-8868-482b84b2d5eb&cv_ct_cx=positive%2Bplacement%2Bnailer&keywords=positive%2Bplacement%2Bnailer&pd_rd_i=B07MLKGGLP&pd_rd_r=1fc2deb4-5cd6-4870-9543-d8252d938b36&pd_rd_w=m12ko&pd_rd_wg=SwPbi&pf_rd_p=f0c5ad8f-c1b9-48f0-8868-482b84b2d5eb&pf_rd_r=QZ86AF7AYX23DXWZER70&qid=1675633209&sr=1-2-a73d1c8c-2fd2-4f19-aa41-2df022bcb241-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzU0FMMjNQREMyTEJHJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzk4Nzk1MjdSUkVJNDJMMkpMSyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMzI2OTM4MkVXVzk4OU5NWE4wRyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX3NlYXJjaF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1]
*.148 nails menards - $45 [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/collated-nails-screws-staples/collated-nails-cleats/grip-fast-reg-1-1-2-x-148-30-34-deg-paper-hot-dipped-galvanized-smooth-shank-flat-head-joist-hanger-framing-nail-1-000-count/mnpt4p148x/p-1444439566148-c-19718.htm] - 4.5 cents each. Gun - [https://www.menards.com/main/tools/power-tools/pneumatic-tools/air-nailers-staplers/masterforce-reg-pneumatic-metal-connector-nailer/2085019/p-1444421094124-c-12912.htm]
*Bostitch nails - 4.5 cents each [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/collated-nails-screws-staples/collated-nails-cleats/bostitch-reg-1-1-2-x-148-35-deg-paper-tape-bright-smooth-shank-metal-connector-nails-1-000-count/pt-mc14815-1m/p-1444425527106-c-19718.htm]

Latest revision as of 21:50, 5 February 2023

About

  • Penny size is bullshit. Penny size applied to different nail types means a different length! Read this - [1]
  • Joist hanger names were called Tico nails [2].
    • If double top plate - then 1.5" is not the limitation and 3" nails should be used.
    • Sometimes 10D refers to diameter, as Tice 1.5" are called 10D - read comments at [3]
  • Building code defines a 10D nail as a .148 nail, 3" long [4]
  • 1" is 2D [5]. Note that penny size came historically from cost of the nails in pennies. So the length is not proportial to D size. [6]. The only thing we know is that the larger the D number, the larger the nail.
  • 10D is 3" long - [7]
  • Joist hanger nails do not seem to have D size attached to them - this one is 1.5" [8]
  • This 8D is 1.5" long [9]. Is that an error? Chart says 8D is 2.5".
  • 3.5" common nail, galvanized. 16D [10]

Mitek Teco Nails + Gun

  • Joist hanger nail gun


Positive Placement Nail Gun

Get yourself a hurricane tie gun

  • Gun - $250 [11]
  • Metal connector gun nails - 6.5 cents each - [12]
  • Metabo joist hanger gun - $200 - [13]
  • .148 nails menards - $45 [14] - 4.5 cents each. Gun - [15]
  • Bostitch nails - 4.5 cents each [16]
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