Revision as of 19:50, 14 August 2025

Best practice: male spigot goes into 4" pipe or 4" fitting. Not female, not 3"
Flange height - on top of floor [1]. This is because bottom of toilet is recessed [2]
See actual height - around 7" so in principle 2x8 should be ok. [3]
Actual part from Menards - [https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/pipe-fittings/abs-pipe-fittings/nibco-reg-hub-abs-dwv-closet-elbow-with-cap/i05580c/plumbing/pipe-fittings/abs-pipe-fittings/nibco-reg-hub-abs-dwv-closet-elbow-with-cap/i05580c/p-1444449170529-c-8562.htm
Thread with clear conclusion that bottom of toilet flange sits on the finished floor. [4].
Here my main man is not so hot - says that flange can be flush with finish floor, not on top of finish floor. [5]
Key insight about flange types - Toilet Flange

Standard Design for 2-Floor Seed Eco-Homes

Standard best practice is to use 4"x3" closet bends. If it is 3" on top, it is more prone to clog. [6].
Note that the 4" top design is more tricky for the ground floor, where an extension pipe must be used from below the concrete in order for rough-in plumbing to clear the bottom of the foundation rim. Otherwise, you are sending PVC through concrete. Due to this - we use a 4" riser for the first floor toilet. This leaves only the option of using a toilet flange that is '4" inside fit', such as this [7] - meaning it actually fits inside 4" schedule 40 pipe, not into a pipe coupler (closet bend top end) as on the second floor.

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 *{{check}}Flange height - on top of floor [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HqEL-KNTwGVzpZ4IUoZgkKPCX9_1ahXcBzTx9wZc1KY/edit#slide=id.g2ae5df59e67_1_8]. This is because bottom of toilet is recessed [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IglMwlvzJzA5S6ePZJcBh-0rtOnXw41Hl-RiOQfvbNk/edit#slide=id.g3288bfe5aa9_0_66]
 *{{check}}See actual height - around 7" so in principle 2x8 should be ok. [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YF44L9WZ75y9LLAr8AwxbeC-K__OKJVt7FZzvzeQQ6Y/edit?slide=id.g2530f3465ae_1_5#slide=id.g2530f3465ae_1_5]
+*{{check}}Actual part from Menards - [https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/pipe-fittings/abs-pipe-fittings/nibco-reg-hub-abs-dwv-closet-elbow-with-cap/i05580c/plumbing/pipe-fittings/abs-pipe-fittings/nibco-reg-hub-abs-dwv-closet-elbow-with-cap/i05580c/p-1444449170529-c-8562.htm
 *Thread with clear conclusion that bottom of toilet flange sits on the finished floor. [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IglMwlvzJzA5S6ePZJcBh-0rtOnXw41Hl-RiOQfvbNk/edit#slide=id.g3288bfe5aa9_0_66].
 *Here my main man is not so hot - says that flange can be flush with finish floor, not on top of finish floor. [https://youtu.be/xJOKiEv8p6Q?t=711]