Apertus Open Source Camera
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[19:23] <marcin___> This is Marcin from Open Source Ecology. Is the current plan to develop a generalized open source camera platform, or only professional grade? [19:24] <marcin___> I am interested in lower quality sensor chips. [19:24] <marcin___> Would lower cost sensor chips be readily retrofittable, or is that a heavy development task? [19:24] <Bertl> well, the current target is kind of professional, but as it all is open and the interfaces are well known [19:25] <Bertl> it should be fairly simple to attach whatever you have sufficient documentation about to the AXIOM (at least on the Beta :) [19:26] <Bertl> we will feature a "low end" sensor (the cmv2000/4000) as well, but I guess you are referring to sensors below 150 USD [19:28] <Bertl> does that answer your question(s)?
[20:08] <marcin___> Ok. Have you produced any Open Source Digital Camera Design for Dummies materials? We are big on PhoneBloks style modularity, and we are developing such hypermodular machines in the heavy industry space. [20:09] <Bertl> no big documentation so far, but that will come with the Beta [20:09] <Bertl> most information is on the wiki or "in" the source code right now [20:17] <marcin___> Do you have any Axiom Harware Architecture Design Concept files - showing the modular breakdown and component choices made? [20:19] <Bertl> check out the indiegogo page, it probably still contains the most compact information about the Axiom Beta, although we already changed some things based on feedback [20:19] <Bertl> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/axiom-beta-the-first-open-digital-cinema-camera
[20:27] == intracube [~intracube@unaffiliated/intracube] has joined #apertus [20:27] <marcin___> Where could I find your hardware and circuit files? [20:28] <Bertl> either on github or here http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/ [20:28] <marcin___> Is the hardware design for the Axiom Beta complete? [20:29] <Bertl> nope, not yet [20:34] <marcin___> Is there a way to order an Axiom Beta at this time? Or that's for later once the Beta ships to the Indiegogo supporters? What price point are you aiming for for the completed camera including fabrication costs? [20:35] <marcin___> Are you Herbert? [20:35] <Bertl> at the moment there is no way to get a Beta, but it will be sold once the Backers got a chance to get their Beta. [20:35] <Bertl> yes, I'm Herbert [20:36] <Bertl> for the price, we will see as the camera will be sold at cost to the backers [20:38] == jucar [~jucar@217.112.96.110] has joined #apertus [20:38] <marcin___> Ok. We'd like to add this to our open hardware tools that we use at Open Source Ecology. Have you seen my TED Talk? http://www.ted.com/talks/marcin_jakubowski?language=en
[20:43] <Bertl> now I have. sounds cool! [20:43] <Bertl> but it will take some work to get all documented properly for this purpose [20:44] <Bertl> but it matches our goal that anybody can build and extend the AXIOM [20:45] <marcin___> Can you point me to any decent references on the design of Modular Digital Camera Architectures? [20:46] <marcin___> Is there any other open source digital camera project that you know of? [20:46] <Bertl> not really, as far as I know we are the first one to tackle this [20:46] <Bertl> yes, the elphel project [20:46] <Bertl> and there are other projects focusing on "low end" video [20:57] == jucar [~jucar@217.112.96.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] [21:01] == jucar [~jucar@217.112.96.110] has joined #apertus [21:14] <marcin___> Bertl: What is the open source "low end" video project?
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Jan 12, 2015 [14:48] <marcin___> Bertl - no, no issues with CERN license. [14:48] <marcin___> Just details. [14:50] <marcin___> What is the market volume for professional cameras? Is it on the order of 1000 sold per year? Do you have any market data links? [14:52] <marcin___> I wanted to ask if you have considered Efficient Production On the Quantity of One. We specialize in that. For example, we can build our 1 ton brick press in a single day by using volunteers in a weekend immersion workshop. We are doing this for all of our machines. Have you thought about this for Axiom? [14:53] <Bertl> not really yet, although I try to be as efficient as possible when building the Axiom :) [15:01] <se6astian> we can do an assembly party and all visit Bertl on the weekend
[15:26] == marcin___ [63c36fda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.195.111.218] has joined #apertus [15:26] <marcin___> What is the market volume for professional cameras? Is it on the order of 1000 sold per year? Do you have any market data links? [15:26] <Bertl> hozer: like the "lantern"? [15:26] <marcin___> How do I not get booted off IRC if my computer goes dormant? [15:26] <Bertl> marcin___: no idea [15:27] <hozer> aaah, run it from a server? [15:27] <Bertl> marcin___: by using an irc bouncer [15:27] <hozer> I run finch on my server that's running all the time [15:28] == niemand [~niemand@095129206169.cust.akis.net] has joined #apertus [15:28] <Bertl> there is also bip and muh [15:28] <marcin___> bertl - such as ZNC on ubuntu? [15:28] <hozer> or there's this: http://irc.apertus.org/index.php?day=12&month=01&year=2015 [15:29] <hozer> (irc log) [15:29] <Bertl> yes, you can also simply read up on the irc logs [15:29] <hozer> well, only if the channel has logs [15:30] <hozer> Bertl: I'm not familiar with the lantern reference [15:31] <Bertl> marcin___: but ZNC won't help if you install it on the computer which goes "dormant" [15:31] <Bertl> hozer: FOSS outernet receiver [15:32] <hozer> znc needs to be run on your server [15:32] <Bertl> or _a_ server :) [15:34] <hozer> so is lantern actually FOSS, or pseudo-OSS cause it makes good marketing [15:34] <marcin___> How many professional cameras are there in the world, guess? 1 Million? [15:35] <hozer> well, I don't think the point is pro cameras, it's the interesting things you can do with a pro-level camera that are not possible with proprietary cameras [15:36] <hozer> like a high-dynamic range welding mask that lets you see the arc and the workpiece [15:37] <marcin___> Ok. Statistics for later. How do I set up an irc log on opensourceecology.org? Install IRC client first, then set up log? I'm not a programmer. [15:37] <hozer> so how many professional TIG welders (people) are there in the world [15:38] <hozer> well 1, create a separate account for irc [15:38] <hozer> 2: sudo apt-get install finch [15:38] <marcin___> Professional welders - about 1 for every 1000 population at least, so I estimate 7 million as a low count. [15:41] <hozer> how many of them would want one of these: http://www.eyetap.org/~siggraph2012/ [15:42] <hozer> every farmer I know has at least 2 welders [15:43] <hozer> so I'd say the open, component-based HDR welding camera market is at least 10,000 [15:43] <marcin___> If we use Freenode IRC, can I easily create an IRC log from that? [15:43] <marcin___> http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/IRC [15:44] <hozer> what does apertus use for logging? [15:44] <Bertl> a small (yet unpublished) program that I wrote a few years ago [15:45] <Bertl> actually more than a century ago :) [15:45] <hozer> hah [15:45] <hozer> interesting comments: https://www.apertus.org/irc-archives-available-article [15:46] <hozer> marcin___: also have a look at https://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml , which gives some reason why you might *not* want to have irc logs [15:47] <hozer> so maybe keep them for yourself, which is what I sometimes do [15:53] <Bertl> off for a nap ... bbl [15:53] == Bertl has changed nick to Bertl_zZ [15:53] <marcin___> So the main case against IRC logs is that IRC is more of a private discussion where people don't expect their words to be recorded for ever? [15:54] <intracube> se6astian: why are you asking for motion graphics folk? [15:55] <marcin___> What is the critique of TED Talks - I have seen some comments in the log implying their negative side? [15:55] == Bertl_zZ [~herbert@213.145.232.42] [15:55] == realname : Herbert Pötzl [15:55] == channels : #apertus [15:55] == server : sendak.freenode.net [Vilnius, Lithuania, EU] [15:55] == account : Bertl [15:55] == End of WHOIS [15:55] == Bertl_zZ [~herbert@213.145.232.42] [15:55] == realname : Herbert Pötzl [15:55] == channels : #apertus [15:55] == server : sendak.freenode.net [Vilnius, Lithuania, EU] [15:55] == account : Bertl [15:55] == End of WHOIS [15:55] == Bertl_zZ [~herbert@213.145.232.42] [15:55] == realname : Herbert Pötzl [15:55] == channels : #apertus [15:55] == server : sendak.freenode.net [Vilnius, Lithuania, EU] [15:55] == account : Bertl [15:55] == End of WHOIS [15:56] <marcin___> Why did Apertus publish ists IRC logs? Because the temperature here is low? [15:56] <hozer> hrrm, cause irc has a long history of flamewars, and so you tend to write in interactive media for the people interactively participating in the conversation [15:58] <hozer> hrrm. TED talks. Sometimes I feel like the people that give TED talks are better at marketing than doing [15:59] <hozer> I can't actually figure out a coherent critique besides that right now [16:00] <marcin___> What do you suggest for a log of technical development discussions? I've seen forums blow up on this. I was hoping that IRC may contain a valuable 'history.' But maybe some Stack Overflow upvoting mediium must be best for distilling technical discussion? I'm trying to figure that out for OSE. [16:00] <hozer> so I like mailing lists, and IRC [16:01] <hozer> because that's what I'm familiar with, and they both have *standard* protocols and open-source servers [16:01] <hozer> forums are centralized, and I have little choice on how to view the forum [16:02] <hozer> where as email and irc I have several options for the client of my choice. Also think about how do visually impaired people participate in these discussions [16:02] <marcin___> RepRap forums are centralized, for example? [16:03] <hozer> yes [16:03] <hozer> any forum, while it might be open source, how do I get a copy if maintainer running the forum gets pissed off or runs out of money? [16:03] <marcin___> So if you were running the reprap project, you would get rid of forums and go to mailing lists to facilitate technical development? [16:04] <hozer> well [16:05] <hozer> with unlimited budget, I'd contract developers to write a new interface for GNU mailman so it looks like the latest greatest most popular forum