Discord General Voice Chat and Links Transcript
Discord General Voice Chat and Links Transcript
Deprecated in favor of #apprenticeship-2021 channel. Here's the entire message history since its beginning on July 8th.
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Open Source Ecology
Main Voice Channels / general-voice-channel-chat-and-links
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matt-jarm 08-Jul-21 06:18 PM
I’m struggling to hear people other than Marcin…
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matt-jarm 08-Jul-21 06:41 PM
Still can’t hear clearly…
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Arcane BOT 08-Jul-21 06:41 PM
@matt-jarm has reached level 1. GG!
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matt-jarm 08-Jul-21 06:42 PM
Could you repeat what he said, Marcin?
Ahh…. Interesting… Thanks!
The idea of having a supportive community that’s collaboratively developing actionable design guides, etc., is definitely a strong incentive for me!
I can’t hear
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PaleOracle 08-Jul-21 06:52 PM
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rrP_YDngXyh55wms8679pKz5Uv2pp_Dacn0v12BCvEg/edit#
Open Source Enterprises
Open Source Enterprises Funding Strategy SBIR - Aug 3 Deadline - and STTR mechanics - mapping out dynamics and contacts for open source development network https://www.sbir.gov/tutorials/program-basics/tutorial-3 - Diffrences between SBIR and STTR CEB press Open Source Microfactory deployment w...
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matt-jarm
I’m struggling to hear people other than Marcin…
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Eric Lotze 08-Jul-21 08:03 PM
One note on volume, it's a bit "clunky", but if you right mouse button (RMB) click on a person's name in voice chat it brings up more options one of which is volume, so you can mix volumes so that everyone is at a good level (ie make people with loud mics at 80% and quiet people at 130% etc)
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I can go in voicechat if anyone needs to test all that, just @ me
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matt-jarm 08-Jul-21 08:10 PM
Ok, that sounds promising… I think part of the problem was that Marcin was the only person with a mic on…
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Eric Lotze 08-Jul-21 08:11 PM
that too!
I need to figure out why the audio cut like that as well
I think "push to talk" may help, as it may be the voice detection cutting it like that
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matt-jarm 08-Jul-21 08:35 PM
Ok, cool. I didn’t see that option on the mobile version but will look again, or use desktop app. It was also my first time using discord…
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Eric Lotze 08-Jul-21 08:37 PM
it's fine, i have barely scratched the surface myself. I'd say mobile works fine for text etc, but for that reason may be odd for audio/video, or just option menu heavy stuff
I'll mess around with it some and see if i can get that working though, especially on-site, a laptop (short of a hardened one) isn't practical!
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matt-jarm 09-Jul-21 08:14 AM
Wow, the sound quality is pretty bad...
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Arcane BOT 09-Jul-21 08:14 AM
@matt-jarm has reached level 2. GG!
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Marcin 09-Jul-21 08:15 AM
https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/120_Design_Lessons_-_Day_8
120 Design Lessons - Day 8
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Paul Pham 09-Jul-21 08:27 AM
https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Seed_Home_v2_Build_Pictures_and_Video
Seed Home v2 Build Pictures and Video
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matt-jarm 09-Jul-21 08:35 AM
Where do I find the link to the google slides Marcin's looking at?
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Odundo 09-Jul-21 08:36 AM
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Hn6b0fV-nSuBOgs8mSGCzBJYJYegZAxDFlD2kNO47ik/edit#slide=id.gb328b2d63d_0_9
120 Design Lessons - Day 8
Day 8 Working Doc - Build cheatsheets House Progress Image Morning Solving Housing - add to it Build Pictures and Video - add to it Complete library in SH3D - create it Learning Process Methodology and reworking from Day 1 on David Log Collaborative Workflow Exercise - 10 minutes House Detail - D...
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matt-jarm 09-Jul-21 08:37 AM
Thanks!!
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Monkeyboy 09-Jul-21 10:43 AM
ok illheadout thanks for todat !
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Eric Lotze 09-Jul-21 10:50 AM
Is my mic working?
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prince4l 09-Jul-21 10:51 AM
I'm not hearing anything
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Eric Lotze 09-Jul-21 10:51 AM
let me say/test again
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prince4l 09-Jul-21 10:51 AM
thats working
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Eric Lotze 09-Jul-21 10:51 AM
thanks !
we doing that working doc right now?
@Marcin , is the stream working on your end?
@Ken Makunga I guess this is the one we are using now, sorry for the redundancy!
(i'm going to check on the scihub inc one, be back in a few minutes)
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Eric Lotze 09-Jul-21 11:06 AM
(back now)
(i'm going to check on the scihub inc one, be back in a few minutes)
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Eric Lotze 09-Jul-21 11:58 AM
So do you already have one of those large format fdm printers available at FEF yet?
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matt-jarm 10-Jul-21 09:14 AM
I'm not getting sound anymore!
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matt-jarm 12-Jul-21 08:39 AM
matt@thisiscommunitas.org
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 09:05 AM
ansible scripts? to auto-provision your dev machine?
how many folks in this meeting use OSE Linux today? (I use FreeCAD 16 in windows) (edited)
why not FreeCAD in the browser? (nothing to install) (edited)
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Odundo 12-Jul-21 09:11 AM
Is FreeCAD available in the browser?
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 09:12 AM
in theory, yes - run an X11 container with FreeCAD through VNC
saw some people do it for other x11 apps
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Arcane BOT 12-Jul-21 09:12 AM
@pcuci has reached level 1. GG!
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 09:25 AM
yes, the audio gets cut out
works only when Marcin talks in long loud sentences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4nqky8qGm8
one of many examples of running X11 apps in containers
it's probably in the same order of magnitude as complex to setup as your own linux distribution 🙂
an interesting take would be to run these containers in a kubernetes cluster, and let anyone dynamically provision what they need when they need it
still doesn't solve the integrated workflow need; that would require more work
Docker
Delivering Desktop Apps in Containers
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prince4l 12-Jul-21 10:00 AM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qj4jscvrLyvwBTlUVRyJSC-ETpoR4CJ266BdG0Ly4AM/edit?usp=sharing
OSE Wall Module Build Status
Walls
PERCENT DONE,72.46%,Wall Module Part List,CAD,PERSON
PERCENT IN PROGRESS,1.45%,
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Arcane BOT 12-Jul-21 10:00 AM
@prince4l has reached level 1. GG!
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matt-jarm
matt@thisiscommunitas.org
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PaleOracle 12-Jul-21 10:00 AM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qj4jscvrLyvwBTlUVRyJSC-ETpoR4CJ266BdG0Ly4AM/edit?usp=sharing
OSE Wall Module Build Status
Walls
PERCENT DONE,72.46%,Wall Module Part List,CAD,PERSON
PERCENT IN PROGRESS,1.45%,
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Paul Pham 12-Jul-21 10:00 AM
Pinned a message.
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pcuci
works only when Marcin talks in long loud sentences
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braden 12-Jul-21 10:08 AM
It might work to play music softly in the background?? I've had this happen when Discord's silence detection is a little laggy.
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PaleOracle 12-Jul-21 10:09 AM
@matt-jarm I stood up the board. We can work through it when you have time.
Everyone else, the board should be publicly visible on the web. If you want to be added, just send me your email and I can get you added.
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Monkeyboy 12-Jul-21 10:21 AM
I think turning off noise suppression would work
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Arcane BOT 12-Jul-21 10:21 AM
@Monkeyboy has reached level 1. GG!
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Monkeyboy 12-Jul-21 10:22 AM
I will head out
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thanks again guys
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PaleOracle
Everyone else, the board should be publicly visible on the web. If you want to be added, just send me your email and I can get you added.
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 10:22 AM
open project board or something else? (sorry, lost in the many chats) (edited)
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braden 12-Jul-21 10:32 AM
Comment on the sufficiency criterion. It's a fine criterion for which tools to use but it can't be the only one. We sent people to the moon without CAD software so by just the sufficiency criterion - pen and paper should be enough and EVERYONE has access to pen and paper. So clearly there needs to be additional criteria on which tools and which versions of tools.
Perhaps another criteria is scalability. If you want 1,000 or 10,000 people working on something - you NEED some version control even if it's just SVN.
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braden
Comment on the sufficiency criterion. It's a fine criterion for which tools to use but it can't be the only one. We sent people to the moon without CAD software so by just the sufficiency criterion - pen and paper should be enough and EVERYONE has access to pen and paper. So clearly there needs to be additional criteria on which tools and which versions of tools.
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Paul Pham 12-Jul-21 10:35 AM
it's also possible that the complaint of the parts tree being more complicated in the latest FreeCAD has changed since the last time anyone did a comparison.
I started a wiki page to continue to pursue this inquiry and find ways to interoperate, or migrate
https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/FreeCAD_16_vs_Latest#FreeCAD_16_vs_Latest
FreeCAD 16 vs Latest
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braden 12-Jul-21 10:35 AM
I can jump on audio to discuss too
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Paul Pham 12-Jul-21 10:37 AM
I'm in favor of scripting everything in Python, and versioning that.
I'm looking at ways for FreeCAD to load and run python scripts, and I'm considering a central server which pulls git commits of Python script snippets,
and reconstructs them into a FreeCAD file "on the fly", reproducibly every time from the same git repo, that people can download.
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braden
Comment on the sufficiency criterion. It's a fine criterion for which tools to use but it can't be the only one. We sent people to the moon without CAD software so by just the sufficiency criterion - pen and paper should be enough and EVERYONE has access to pen and paper. So clearly there needs to be additional criteria on which tools and which versions of tools.
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 10:37 AM
depends on your point of view, UX is overrated, but here's a frame to think about it: https://medium.com/mytake/the-ux-honeycomb-seven-essential-considerations-for-developers-accc372a398c (edited)
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The UX Honeycomb: Seven Essential Considerations for Developers
When we’re looking so closely at code, it can be difficult to keep our users’ needs in mind, no matter how much we talk about them in…
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Arcane BOT 12-Jul-21 10:37 AM
@pcuci has reached level 2. GG!
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 10:41 AM
@braden what's the workflow you want to improve?
version control for scale
Wikimedia has a different philosophy wrt. to conflict resolution and merging vs. CVS-based workflows (edited)
you need a DVCS like Git or Hg (subversion is out of question here) (edited)
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 10:58 AM
https://dvc.org/ @braden
Data Version Control · DVC
Open-source version control system for Data Science and Machine Learning projects. Git-like experience to organize your data, models, and experiments.
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https://github.blog/2013-09-17-3d-file-diffs/
Mike Skalnik
3D File Diffs | The GitHub Blog
Back in April, we introduced the 3D file viewer. Today we’re improving this by displaying diffs of STL files on GitHub. There are two modes to figure out what you’re looking at. By default, we
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8 years ago was possible
must be better now?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (edited)
Main Page
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 11:14 AM
@braden https://comma.ai/ has a similar take wrt. to liability - they take none (edited)
comma.ai – Introducing openpilot
Make driving chill. Retrofit your car with a comma two. comma.ai is building the Android for cars. We have an open source driving agent that runs on most modern cars.
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Arcane BOT 12-Jul-21 11:14 AM
@pcuci has reached level 3. GG!
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 11:24 AM
https://www.onshape.com/en/features/product-data-management
https://www.onshape.com/en/resource-center/innovation-blog/how-onshape-has-fundamentally-improved-parametric-cad (edited)
Data Management | Onshape Cloud Product Development Software
Learn how built-in version control and Release Management tools eliminate the need for a separate PDM system in Onshape's product development platform.
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How Onshape Has Fundamentally Improved Parametric CAD
Onshape didn’t invent parametric modeling, but we have fundamentally improved every aspect of CAD.
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 11:32 AM
what's the npm, pip or package equivalent of 3rd parts libraries?
https://openscad.org/ -based workflow
OpenSCAD
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https://openscad.org/libraries.html
https://egraphs-good.github.io/
egg
'egg' is an open-source, high performance e-graph and equality saturation toolkit.
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braden 12-Jul-21 11:44 AM
https://github.com/uwplse/szalinski
uwplse/szalinski
Szalinski: A Tool for Synthesizing Structured CAD Models with Equality Saturation and Inverse Transformations - uwplse/szalinski
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https://arxiv.org/abs/1909.12252
Synthesizing Structured CAD Models with Equality Saturation and...
Recent program synthesis techniques help users customize CAD models(e.g., for
3D printing) by decompiling low-level triangle meshes to Constructive Solid
Geometry (CSG) expressions. Without loops...
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 11:53 AM
https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Roadmap @braden
Roadmap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5N2Jl8k14 for co-design
TED
The incredible inventions of intuitive AI | Maurice Conti
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 12:11 PM
lab vs. virtual space diffs (edited)
actual built things lags CAD design
lab uses outdated irreproducible CADs
only "done" when it's provably reproducible
parallel design exploration
diff between real-world and virtual world
up-to-date road-map?
housing vs. machines?
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Arcane BOT 12-Jul-21 12:22 PM
@pcuci has reached level 4. GG!
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 12:22 PM
3D printed wall segments? use waste streams to make wood plastic composits (edited)
how do we know that the integrated toolchain is actually working?
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braden 12-Jul-21 12:30 PM
How would breaking change to a FreeCAD file be recognized today?
What is the mechanism to keep CAD (and other files) in sync with in-personal experimentation?
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 12:42 PM
another software-driven regen-village attempt: https://www.doublegdp.com/
Home
Software for new cities in emerging markets.
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braden 12-Jul-21 12:50 PM
For large-investment OSE projects, are there validated needs statements?
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Arcane BOT 12-Jul-21 12:50 PM
@braden has reached level 3. GG!
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 12:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo1hs46W4W8 as another example of regen villages (not open source) (edited)
Archive TV
Your home could pay for itself in this ecovillage of the future
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 01:16 PM
modify vs. re-design from scratch?
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 01:25 PM
who else is design-centered and sustainability oriented?
how might we 10x shrink the design+build+live-in loop?
how might we become better client-advocating and extracting user needs?
https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_l9CWdj4=/
OSE SX21 - Hybrid Collab
How might we design a hybrid collaborative experience to reproduce open hardware innovation world-wide?
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re: computational space: https://vimeo.com/115154289
Bret Victor
The Humane Representation of Thought
Closing keynote at the UIST and SPLASH conferences, October 2014. Preface: http://worrydream.com/TheHumaneRepresentationOfThought/note.html References to baby-steps…
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https://darklang.com/ for error free coding, no text editor
rethinking data perms: https://sandstorm.io/how-it-works
How Sandstorm Works: Containerize data, not services
Real-time collaborative web productivity suite behind the firewall.
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 01:47 PM
https://arxiv.org/abs/1903.12262 might be relevant
Towards Standardization of Data Licenses: The Montreal Data License
This paper provides a taxonomy for the licensing of data in the fields of
artificial intelligence and machine learning. The paper's goal is to build
towards a common framework for data licensing...
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 01:58 PM
https://vitalik.ca/general/2019/12/07/quadratic.html
Quadratic Payments: A Primer
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pcuci 12-Jul-21 05:02 PM
@braden see: https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Marcin%27s_Initial_Apprenticeship_Assessment for some raw insight into the OSE apprenticeship model (just stumbled onto this wiki page, might help refine your questions for tomorrow)
(I don't know the context of why @Marcin answered these questions, as most of them seem to target the apprentices themselves; I suppose he's impersonating the learners, perhaps an empathy building exercise?)
my interpretation of what's written in there, is that apprenticeship might help in leveling the steep learning curve, and compress a decade of design+build+living experience into a few months, to move the needle on reproducible design+builds(?) (edited)
Marcin%27s_Initial_Apprenticeship_Assessment
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pcuci
@braden see: https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Marcin%27s_Initial_Apprenticeship_Assessment for some raw insight into the OSE apprenticeship model (just stumbled onto this wiki page, might help refine your questions for tomorrow) (I don't know the context of why @Marcin answered these questions, as most of them seem to target the apprentices themselves; I suppose he's impersonating the learners, perhaps an empathy building exercise?) my interpretation of what's written in there, is that apprenticeship might help in leveling the steep learning curve, and compress a decade of design+build+living experience into a few months, to move the needle on reproducible design+builds(?) (edited)
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braden 12-Jul-21 05:05 PM
I'll look over this. I'm watching Bret Victors "The Humane Representation of Thought" talk right now. Very interesting! I've seen some his work before but I like his perspective on the sort of the tyranny of the print medium as a representation of thought.
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braden 12-Jul-21 05:15 PM
One other thought I had which is salient to our discussion is documenting not just design outputs but design intent. GD&T and good CAD modeling practices is a way to represent design intent (so in a sense a good CAD model already captures some design intent). However, GD&T can't capture everything a designer intends. Capturing the needs of the problem your trying to solve (1) helps sanity check the design so you can avoid pitfalls and (2) allows people to replicate your design process and not just your design outputs.
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Paul Pham 13-Jul-21 09:12 AM
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matt-jarm 13-Jul-21 09:55 AM
I don't hear anything...
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Paul Pham 13-Jul-21 10:23 AM
I'd like to delete this channel in preference to #apprenticeship-2021
we should be using that one from now on.
Let me know if anyone has concerns
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pcuci 13-Jul-21 10:43 AM
maybe archive, or rename to re-purpose? (idea is to preserve conversations, like code revisions "append only" mode, for conversations too; deleting instills concerns, forces everyone to make backup copies, just in case) (edited)
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