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=Off-the Shelf Sourcing=
*Alibaba, 36 cent/watt, MOQ 20, 1200Ah cells. [https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Nickel-Iron-battery-Ni-Fe-Rechargeable_62200308114.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.68cb4e75yqJq6s]
*44 cent/watt, 300Ahr bats, MOQ 40 [https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/edison-nickel-iron-battery-for-solar_60742032685.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_image.68cb4e75yqJq6s&bypass=true]
*$28 for 10Ah, 1.2V - $2.30/watt [https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001604728890.html?src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=708-803-3821&isdl=y&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&aff_platform=google&aff_short_key=UneMJZVf&&albagn=888888&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&albcp=9594035441&albag=102695258807&trgt=374448549250&crea=en1005001604728890&netw=u&device=c&albpg=374448549250&albpd=en1005001604728890&gclid=CjwKCAiAmrOBBhA0EiwArn3mfGDdh-Pv1mlmxRanriQ_10ao_ZvhImeLA2b3ypObdGLC17kqX8OFjRoCbRIQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds]
*$1.5/W - Ebay - [https://www.ebay.com/itm/143662910977?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=143662910977&targetid=1068323853030&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9023315&poi=&campaignid=10459842387&mkgroupid=104612011100&rlsatarget=pla-1068323853030&abcId=2146002&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAiAmrOBBhA0EiwArn3mfCknVceF4eLH3lCtXvT3CxLQwi8V7mTox7f-6HTUwX5Z7D5Hx3Kl3RoCHP8QAvD_BwE]
*Iron Edison - 92 cents/watt - [https://ironedison.com/nickel-iron-ni-fe-battery]
*$12k for 19.2kw - 62 cents from China


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= provisional bom (0.1) =
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== nickel ==
== nickel ==
*Commodity price - $6lb - [http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/nickel/]
*Commodity price - $6lb - [http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/nickel/]
*http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=9&pub=5574944211&toolid=10001&campid=5336763930&customid=&icep_uq=canadian+nickel&icep_sellerId=&icep_ex_kw=&icep_sortBy=12&icep_catId=39482&icep_minPrice=&icep_maxPrice=&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg
*Nickels - [http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=9&pub=5574944211&toolid=10001&campid=5336763930&customid=&icep_uq=canadian+nickel&icep_sellerId=&icep_ex_kw=&icep_sortBy=12&icep_catId=39482&icep_minPrice=&icep_maxPrice=&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg]
*http://coppercave.com/copper/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=8
*http://coppercave.com/copper/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=8
*http://m.grainger.com/mobile/search/nickel-copper-tubing/pipe-and-tubing/plumbing/ecatalog/N-a9v?an_lnk=idpmore
*http://m.grainger.com/mobile/search/nickel-copper-tubing/pipe-and-tubing/plumbing/ecatalog/N-a9v?an_lnk=idpmore
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===nickel powder===
===nickel powder===
*http://www.alliedplating.com/store.asp?pid=15260
*http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/10421/SLN2422
*http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/10421/SLN2422
*http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLN1468
*http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLN1468
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== iron ==
== iron ==


http://www.mcmaster.com/#iron-sheets/=m85x65
*24 cents per pound commodity price - [https://www.quora.com/How-much-per-pound-is-cast-iron-worth]
 
*http://www.mcmaster.com/#iron-sheets/=m85x65
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Iron-Oxide-Natural-Pounds/dp/B008LE63H6/
*http://www.amazon.com/Black-Iron-Oxide-Natural-Pounds/dp/B008LE63H6/


== hard ware ==
== hard ware ==
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http://flowsystemsusa.com/water-miser-vent-cap.html
http://flowsystemsusa.com/water-miser-vent-cap.html
=China Sourcing=
*$32 for 100Wh - 80Ah bat cells- [https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Nickel-Iron-Battery-Ni-Fe-Battery_62581224212.html?spm=a2700.details.deiletai6.6.2dc460c5zxK7VS&bypass=true]
*This means 4kW would be $1280, causing an energy transition to off grid.
*800Ah - weighs 57 kg. [https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/nife-nickle-iron-storage-batteries-1_1600108578525.html?spm=a2700.details.0.0.1f7360fdkfX1tP&bypass=true]
*1200Ah for $200 each? [https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Long-Life-12V-24V-48V-1200Ah_62100134417.html?spm=a2700.details.deiletai6.4.783d60c52dmPkr&bypass=true]. That would be $140/kw, unreal. Table says 62kg filled. If weight in nickel is 1/5, that is only 12kg nickel. So the price would be $120 in materials. They are selling at $140.
=Other from China Sourcing=
*http://www.beutilityfree.com/index.php/products/nickel-iron-batteries/nickel-iron-testimonials - from thread at [https://www.fieldlines.com/index.php?topic=146519.0] which estimates that a 1800Whr system has $600 of nickel in it. Good thread - says these batteries really work and are robust. You can replace cells easily, not like with lead acid.
*IronEdison
*Zappworks -
*Australia - Ironcore - [http://www.ironcorebatteries.com.au/page2.php]
=Notes=
*[[Nickel-Iron Battery/Sourcing]] - more info on nickel hydrate
*Nickel is 20% of the battery - [https://www.solarpaneltalk.com/forum/off-grid-solar/batteries-energy-storage/ni/7052-how-much-nickel-is-really-in-a-nickel-iron-ni-fe-battery]
*If nickel is 1/5 the battery, and nickel is $6/lb raw - then price of battery is $1/lb based on nickel cost. Thus a 50 kg battery should be $100 in materials only. If nickel hydrate was obtained readily from nickel.
=Rubber Hits the Road: Quotations=
*See [[Nickel-Iron Battery Quotes]]

Latest revision as of 19:30, 23 June 2021

Off-the Shelf Sourcing

  • Alibaba, 36 cent/watt, MOQ 20, 1200Ah cells. [1]
  • 44 cent/watt, 300Ahr bats, MOQ 40 [2]
  • $28 for 10Ah, 1.2V - $2.30/watt [3]
  • $1.5/W - Ebay - [4]
  • Iron Edison - 92 cents/watt - [5]
  • $12k for 19.2kw - 62 cents from China

provisional bom (0.1)

nickel

nickel powder

nickel flake

https://www.alfa.com/en/catalog/13788

wire

http://www.temcoindustrialpower.com/search.html?category=Special_Metal_Wire

ebay

potassium hydroxide KOH

http://www.essentialdepot.com/servlet/the-13/2-lbs-Potassium-Hydroxide/Detail

http://www.artistsupplysource.com/product.php?productid=53758&utm_source=AR-froogle_Product-Ads&utm_medium=Natural_Pigments&utm_campaign=NAP-500-21POH1K&gclid=CLLop8-ZrrYCFaFxQgodKhoAuQ

http://www.dudadiesel.com/choose_item.php?id=45drhdp&gclid=CKuCgNKZrrYCFYFxQgodlFgA2Q


iron

hard ware

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/SS01/01345/N0365.oap?ck=Search_N0365_-1_-1&pt=N0365&ppt=C0005

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/202353316?catalogId=0&langId=-1&storeId=10051&N=5yc1vZbm0j&R=202353316#.UWJSHZNvWbM

http://www.mouser.com/Connectors/Terminals/_/N-5g5u/

https://www.grainger.com/Grainger/brass-pipe-fittings/fittings/plumbing/ecatalog/N-by2Z1z0er0n?Ndr=basedimid10071&dojo.preventCache=1365741412234&itemsPerPage=60&sst=subset

accessories

http://flowsystemsusa.com/water-miser-vent-cap.html

China Sourcing

  • $32 for 100Wh - 80Ah bat cells- [9]
  • This means 4kW would be $1280, causing an energy transition to off grid.
  • 800Ah - weighs 57 kg. [10]
  • 1200Ah for $200 each? [11]. That would be $140/kw, unreal. Table says 62kg filled. If weight in nickel is 1/5, that is only 12kg nickel. So the price would be $120 in materials. They are selling at $140.

Other from China Sourcing

Notes

  • Nickel-Iron Battery/Sourcing - more info on nickel hydrate
  • Nickel is 20% of the battery - [14]
  • If nickel is 1/5 the battery, and nickel is $6/lb raw - then price of battery is $1/lb based on nickel cost. Thus a 50 kg battery should be $100 in materials only. If nickel hydrate was obtained readily from nickel.

Rubber Hits the Road: Quotations

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