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=Problem Statement= | =Problem Statement= | ||
*Gluing rubber, such as EPDM. | *Gluing rubber, such as EPDM. | ||
*Contact cement works on EPDM - [https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Will_Liquid_Nails_construction_adhesive_stick_to_this_/5-1711949/] | *Contact cement works on EPDM - [https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Will_Liquid_Nails_construction_adhesive_stick_to_this_/5-1711949/]. Customer says this is 'closest to ideal' for EPDM on metal [https://www.walmart.com/ip/DAP-234-Contact-Cement-5-gal-Natural/197451858?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1122&&adid=22222222227049846598&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=147501412513&wl4=aud-430887228898:pla-261725022682&wl5=9023315&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=101593696&wl11=online&wl12=197451858&veh=sem&gclid=CjwKCAjw6fCCBhBNEiwAem5SO_ER8eHZi8IzzbmG90jD2RKiCgtKYnhgQAz2mnGo4iOolxSz5SjANBoCQu0QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds] | ||
*DAP 234 is essentially toluene, hexane, acetone with some dissolved rubber. | |||
*Dissolved rubber is polychlorinated rubber, the thing of rubber paint [https://www.newventureproducts.co.uk/blog/why-use-chlorinated-rubber-paint-n9] | |||
*What is solvent of rubber paint? Toluene and xylene - [http://www.yulongchem.com/wap_products_detail_en/id/1.html#:~:text=Chlorinated%20Rubber(CR)%2D%2DPaint%20Level&text=Solubility%3A,colorless%20or%20yellow%20transparent%20solution.] | |||
*Dissolved rubber - LionGuard [https://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=19595] - for EPDM it's dissolved neoprene, in aromatics and ketone? Yes, same as DAP 123 (aromatics + acetone ketone). | |||
=Types of Glues= | =Types of Glues= | ||
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*Wikipedia - CA - | *Wikipedia - CA - | ||
*Does not work well because it will stick, but contraction will easily break the glue - [https://www.quora.com/Does-super-glue-stick-to-rubber-Why-or-why-not#:~:text=Yes%2C%20super%20glue%20will%20stick,is%20a%20material%20science%20defn)%20.&text=The%20rubber%20has%20a%20high,base%20material's%20elongation%20or%20movement.] | *Does not work well because it will stick, but contraction will easily break the glue - [https://www.quora.com/Does-super-glue-stick-to-rubber-Why-or-why-not#:~:text=Yes%2C%20super%20glue%20will%20stick,is%20a%20material%20science%20defn)%20.&text=The%20rubber%20has%20a%20high,base%20material's%20elongation%20or%20movement.] | ||
*Use rubbery solvent glues. | **-> '''Use rubbery (Styrene Butadiene Latex) solvent glues'''. Solvents soften the EPDM, styrene butadiene bonds. | ||
=Sourcing= | =Sourcing= | ||
*Menards - $150 - [https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/roofing/low-slope-roofing/epdm-rubber-roofing-contact-adhesive-5-gallon/7-1502611-1/p-1444444064529.htm] | |||
*5 gallons, $121 - 60 sf/gal - is this really CA glue? [https://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=19595]. $71 shipping. | *5 gallons, $121 - 60 sf/gal - is this really CA glue? [https://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=19595]. $71 shipping. | ||
*5 gal, 60 CA Adhesive, $250 - [https://pack-n-tape.com/3M-60CA-Scotch-Weld-General-Purpose-60-CA-Adhesive-Clear-5-gal-Pail-1-per-case-Bulk-NOT-FOR-CONSUMER-RETAIL-SALE-OR-USE.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw6fCCBhBNEiwAem5SO4N3BMPGhmQCbzInkElI55_-qYKAwsnUz-ezVLNz5hCuuvVwtvuM1RoCzW4QAvD_BwE#product-details-tab-specification] | *5 gal, 60 CA Adhesive, $250 - [https://pack-n-tape.com/3M-60CA-Scotch-Weld-General-Purpose-60-CA-Adhesive-Clear-5-gal-Pail-1-per-case-Bulk-NOT-FOR-CONSUMER-RETAIL-SALE-OR-USE.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw6fCCBhBNEiwAem5SO4N3BMPGhmQCbzInkElI55_-qYKAwsnUz-ezVLNz5hCuuvVwtvuM1RoCzW4QAvD_BwE#product-details-tab-specification] | ||
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*N-hexane, toluene. Benzene, pentane. Toluene is best [https://www.researchgate.net/post/what_is_the_sutaible_solvent_for_EPDM_rubeer_when_using_in_electrospinning_process_for_production_polymeric_nanofibers] | *N-hexane, toluene. Benzene, pentane. Toluene is best [https://www.researchgate.net/post/what_is_the_sutaible_solvent_for_EPDM_rubeer_when_using_in_electrospinning_process_for_production_polymeric_nanofibers] | ||
*Toluene - $20/gal - [https://www.menards.com/main/paint/solvents-cleaners-removers/thinners-solvents/sunnyside-reg-toluol-thinner/821g1/p-1444444215740.htm] | *Toluene - $20/gal - [https://www.menards.com/main/paint/solvents-cleaners-removers/thinners-solvents/sunnyside-reg-toluol-thinner/821g1/p-1444444215740.htm] | ||
*Gasoline, diesel, oil eats EPDM - [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=does+EPDM+resist+diesel&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5] | |||
=Notes= | =Notes= | ||
*EPDM is not neoprene [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=is+epdm+same+as+neoprene&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5] | *EPDM is not neoprene [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=is+epdm+same+as+neoprene&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5] | ||
*Latex bonding agents - [https://www.euclid-chemical.com/fileshare/Literature/Technical_Bulletins/CP-15-Latex_Bonding_Agents.pdf]. Latex is polymer particles in water. | |||
**Styrene Butadiene Latex (SBL). See difference between Styrene Butadiene Rubber and Styrene Butadiene Latex [https://www.mcpolymers.com/library/the-difference-between-styrene-butadiene-rubber-and-styrene-butadiene-latex]. Sourcing - [https://www.floorprep.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/White-Latex-Liquid-SDS.pdf] - 30% by weight SBL. 150-250 sf coverage. Can be used as primer for glue? Data Sheet - [https://www.floorprep.com/product/white-latex-liquid/]. Sourcing - [https://www.google.com/shopping/product/8210082157189217495?q=sb+latex&sxsrf=ALeKk03MOmw9rJvANmhDeMO78d1v0e-V0g:1616730661522&biw=1514&bih=768&prds=eto:2669010270887105423_0&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7rdOTh83vAhVPXM0KHZLrA_YQgwgI9AM] | |||
**Polyvinyl Acetate Latex | |||
**Acrylic Latex. Ex - MAPEI [https://cdnmedia.mapei.com/docs/librariesprovider10/products-documents/3000192-polymer-additive-en.pdf?sfvrsn=daea732b_0], cement additive - [https://www.lowes.com/pd/MAPEI-2-Gallon-White-Liquid-Latex-Mortar-Additive-Mortar/3743849] | |||
*Polyvinyl acetate is wood glue, Elmer's glue [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_acetate] | |||
*What is plastidip made of? Sorry sucka, that's secret. [https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/1l6nv1/what_is_plasti_dip/] | |||
Latest revision as of 02:37, 9 August 2021
Problem Statement
- Gluing rubber, such as EPDM.
- Contact cement works on EPDM - [1]. Customer says this is 'closest to ideal' for EPDM on metal [2]
- DAP 234 is essentially toluene, hexane, acetone with some dissolved rubber.
- Dissolved rubber is polychlorinated rubber, the thing of rubber paint [3]
- What is solvent of rubber paint? Toluene and xylene - [4]
- Dissolved rubber - LionGuard [5] - for EPDM it's dissolved neoprene, in aromatics and ketone? Yes, same as DAP 123 (aromatics + acetone ketone).
Types of Glues
- Structural acrylic glues work - Permabond TA4605 and Permabond TA4610 structural acrylic adhesives - [6]
AKA Crazy Glue
- Wikipedia - CA -
- Does not work well because it will stick, but contraction will easily break the glue - [7]
- -> Use rubbery (Styrene Butadiene Latex) solvent glues. Solvents soften the EPDM, styrene butadiene bonds.
Sourcing
- Menards - $150 - [8]
- 5 gallons, $121 - 60 sf/gal - is this really CA glue? [9]. $71 shipping.
- 5 gal, 60 CA Adhesive, $250 - [10]
EPDM Solvents
- N-hexane, toluene. Benzene, pentane. Toluene is best [11]
- Toluene - $20/gal - [12]
- Gasoline, diesel, oil eats EPDM - [13]
Notes
- EPDM is not neoprene [14]
- Latex bonding agents - [15]. Latex is polymer particles in water.
- Styrene Butadiene Latex (SBL). See difference between Styrene Butadiene Rubber and Styrene Butadiene Latex [16]. Sourcing - [17] - 30% by weight SBL. 150-250 sf coverage. Can be used as primer for glue? Data Sheet - [18]. Sourcing - [19]
- Polyvinyl Acetate Latex
- Acrylic Latex. Ex - MAPEI [20], cement additive - [21]
- Polyvinyl acetate is wood glue, Elmer's glue [22]
- What is plastidip made of? Sorry sucka, that's secret. [23]