White Gas: Difference between revisions

From Open Source Ecology
Jump to navigation Jump to search
(Created Page + Added Basic Sections/Info)
 
(Labeled the Watch Length of Some Attached Videos)
 
(15 intermediate revisions by the same user not shown)
Line 9: Line 9:
****[[Multifuel Liquid Fuel Pressure Stoves]] typically run “cleanest” on White Gas (or [[Fuel Alcohol, albeit that can have corrosion issues, [[Material Compatibility Issues]] ,  and overall isn’t advisable unless specifically designed in (or if it is not stored in the stove;  the stove is stored DRY)
****[[Multifuel Liquid Fuel Pressure Stoves]] typically run “cleanest” on White Gas (or [[Fuel Alcohol, albeit that can have corrosion issues, [[Material Compatibility Issues]] ,  and overall isn’t advisable unless specifically designed in (or if it is not stored in the stove;  the stove is stored DRY)
*****”Heavier” fuels such as [[Kerosene]] or [[Diesel]] etc foul the [[Vapor Generator]] more quickly,  necessitating more frequent maintenance (also may clog the nozzle)  
*****”Heavier” fuels such as [[Kerosene]] or [[Diesel]] etc foul the [[Vapor Generator]] more quickly,  necessitating more frequent maintenance (also may clog the nozzle)  
=Sourcing=
==Proper White Gas==
===Coleman Brand===
*Often can be found in Walmarts
**[https://www.walmart.com/ip/15971465360?sid=a8a29a6a-fd52-47e1-9de6-f66a6cc78c3a A Walmart Listing for “Coleman Fuel 1 Gallon” ] ( ‘’’~14 USD online as of this edit’’’ )
*Has the composition changed over time?
**The reddit post pointed out how Butane/Propane were added to the name/description
***This MAY have just been an ai slop type (as often happens in niche products in e-commerce etc)
***It COULD however also hint that it is now [[Butanized Naphtha]]
*[https://www.academy.com/p/coleman-premium-blend-32-oz-liquid-fuel A 32oz Can at Academy Sports+Outdoors]
===Crown===
*Mentions having [[Metal Deactivators[]
*[https://www.amazon.com/PACKAGING-SERVICE-CO-Camp-Fuel/dp/B007CMDLV4 An Amazon Listing for “PACKAGING SERVICE CO - CFM64 Camp Fuel, 32 oz” ]
**32usfloz=1quart or 1/4 gallon so this is NOT what the picture shows
**As per many of the reviews point out
**946ml
*Need to see if this is due to [[Hazmat Shipping Regulations]] ?
**Ie large filled containers of gas are hard to ship?
===MSR===
*[https://cascadedesigns.com/products/superfuel The MSR Page on the Product]
**Quote:
***” Due to hazardous materials shipping restrictions, we do not sell SuperFuel online. To purchase, please see your local retailer.“
**Also mentions quote:
***”The highest performance white gas on the market.  Superior Performance: Designed to improve stove performance, with fewer cleanings and less maintenance.  Clean-Burning: Tested to be 100% pure.  Reduced Clogging: No dyes or additives to solidify and cause clogs.”
****”Highest Preformance” reeks of marketing hype, but MAYBE it’s Specific Energy/Vapor Pressure etc?
****Also potentially doesn’t have Rust Inhibitors then, for better or for worse?
****The pure claim is a bit odd since neither [[Naphtha]] or [[Gasoline]] are a “pure” substance;  they are all a mix of chemicals with some specified/similar properties (Boiling Point, Octane and/of Vapor Pressure, etc)
*[https://zenstoves.net/MSDS/MSDS-SuperFuel.doc A 2004 MSDS for MSR Superfuel]
**”CONTAINS:​95-100% LIGHT HYDROTREATED DISTILLATE (68410-97-9)[270-093-2]”
**Also sidenote, despite getting rid of the waaaaaaaay cooler MSDS acronym, DAMN isn’t a modern [[SDS]] easier on the eyes lol
**According to [https://www.barringredients.com/Content/PDFs/GVM46-KS-VM&P-Naphtha-SDS.pdf This Klean Strip Brand of] [[VM&P Naphtha]] is essentially the same thing?
***GRANTED product reverse engineering solely from a SDS, ESPECIALLY when they hide info like exact percentages etc may not be right;  a proper [[HPLC]] / [[Mass Spectrometry]] test etc would be ideal
***Also there is the potential for Material Compatibility Issues (Re [[G100UL]] etc)
*[https://www.neptunemountaineering.com/products/fuel-super-1qt?variant=42216497971335&country=US&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22495612710&gclid=Cj0KCQiAwYrNBhDcARIsAGo3u31TWhYNvVKdUPetr57rakh1lcJ4Y64p1naVKzqtkfWHaPkPy0Q-ArMaAqGJEALw_wcB A Neptune Mountaineering Listing Titled “MSR SUPER FUEL 1 QT” ] ( ‘’’About 16 USD each as of this edit’’’ )
===Is there a Shortage/Phase Out===
*To-Do:
**Determine if the current listings are [[New Old Stock]] etc
***Could potentially email each company for official comment?
*Could TRY and ask around / dig to see if anyone knows about it (if working in sales/logistics, or hopefully even the damn factory where they fill the cans!)
==Potential Substitutes==
===Lighter Fluid===
*[[Lighter Fluid]] / [[Zippo Fluid]] etc may be similar formulations
===Naphtha===
*[[Naphtha]] / [[Petroleum Naphtha]] / [[Natural Gasoline]] and such may be similar / similar enough
*Main issue is, as with “Gasoline”, Naphtha is an industry term for a category of chemicals that fit a similar list of requirements, not a specific chemical or STRICT standard
**Thus even with [[CAS Numbers]] etc you can still end up getting slightly, yet significantly enough, different materials under the same name
===Ethanol Free Gasoline===
*Either from a pump (re [[Ethanol Free Gasoline]] ), or in shelf sold containers at Lawn Equipment/Home Improvement Stores such as this:
**[https://www.homedepot.com/p/TruFuel-4-Cycle-Ethanol-Free-Fuel-110-oz-1-Pack-6527206/205913140 A Home Depot Listing for “ 4- Cycle Ethanol-Free Fuel 110 oz. (1-Pack)” ]
***~24 USD for the 3.253L Can as of this Edit


=Internal Links=
=Internal Links=
Line 14: Line 71:


=External Links=
=External Links=
*
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_fuel The Wikipedia Page on Coleman Fuel]
*[https://www.learntodrill.com/post/what-is-white-gasoline A Post on Learn to Drill . Com titled “What is White Gasoline” ]
*[http://www.aip.com.au/resources/colour-australian-unleaded-petrol-changing A PSA by the Australian Institute of Petroleum Titled “ THE COLOUR OF AUSTRALIAN UNLEADED PETROL IS CHANGING” ]
**Compares Dyed and Undyed Gasoline
***Despite being undyed, most gasoline is still a pale yellow
****Although i’ve never heard the term “Yellow Gasoline” perhaps it’s a historical term
****”Red Diesel” is sometimes used to refer to [[Off Road Diesel]]
*On potential shortage/phaseout due to being largely obsolete:
**[https://www.reddit.com/r/flowarts/comments/1jp861i/camp_fuel_shortage/ A Reddit Post in the Context of Fire Poi/Baton Arts etc]
*[https://youtu.be/_PRUunYW9fY?si=cS3viLrlZz3FtcfG A Video by the YouTube Channel “Retro Tech & Electronics” Titled “Antique Coleman 425 Stove Testing Out Different Fuels for Performance” ] ( ‘’’ ~21 Minute Watch’’’ )
**They tested:
***[[White Gas]] (the control (new) at ~18:30, and older staler white gas at ~16:40 timestamp)
***Naphtha
***[[E-10]] [[Gasoline]] (at ~12:30 timestamp)
***[[Kerosene]] (at ~04:00 timestamp)
****This did require an external pre-heat of the [[Vapor Generator]] + fouled the generator long term, but otherwise worked fine once up to temperature
***[[Denatured Alcohol]] and [[Isopropanol]] ( at ~01:50 Timestamp)
*[https://youtu.be/ucRWgQvjX98?si=9fnUoyuWCYuU9EHZ A Video by the YouTube Channel “Cutler’s Antiques” Titled “How long does Coleman fuel last?  Let’s test a 50 year old can of white gas!” ] ( ‘’’ ~21 Minute Watch ‘’’ )
**They used a lantern for testing, and didn’t do much timing, so this was far more of a binary “it works/doesn’t work” + a qualitative smell+visual test, BUT interesting nonetheless
**The old can was metal and had a metal stopper/seal press fit under the cap, so that probably helped with moisture+oxygen etc + [[Fractional Evaporation (Fuel Storage) ]] concerns somewhag cheating on the test

Latest revision as of 23:38, 28 February 2026

Basics

  • The MOST COMMON + generic term for a Specialized Liquid Fuel
    • It is mainly used in Pressure Lanterns / Liquid Fuel Stoves designed for use with it, and thus is often called “Camp Fuel”
    • The fact that the Coleman brand made+makes much of the devices that use it has lead to it often being called “Coleman Fuel” as well
  • Essentially it is akin to a modern formulation of Old Formulation Gasoline
    • Early automobile/pre-automobile “gasoline” was typically “Drip Gas” / Natural Gas Liquids derived…NOT a specified product
      • Given they were a common technology of the time (due to Rural Electrification still going on etc) the “heyday” of the technology was from this period, hence it is the go-to specification
        • Newer “dual fuel” lanterns can run on “pump gas” / “mogas” (aka standard, albeit preferably Ethanol Free Gasoline )
        • Multifuel Liquid Fuel Pressure Stoves typically run “cleanest” on White Gas (or [[Fuel Alcohol, albeit that can have corrosion issues, Material Compatibility Issues , and overall isn’t advisable unless specifically designed in (or if it is not stored in the stove; the stove is stored DRY)
          • ”Heavier” fuels such as Kerosene or Diesel etc foul the Vapor Generator more quickly, necessitating more frequent maintenance (also may clog the nozzle)

Sourcing

Proper White Gas

Coleman Brand

Crown

MSR

  • The MSR Page on the Product
    • Quote:
      • ” Due to hazardous materials shipping restrictions, we do not sell SuperFuel online. To purchase, please see your local retailer.“
    • Also mentions quote:
      • ”The highest performance white gas on the market. Superior Performance: Designed to improve stove performance, with fewer cleanings and less maintenance. Clean-Burning: Tested to be 100% pure. Reduced Clogging: No dyes or additives to solidify and cause clogs.”
        • ”Highest Preformance” reeks of marketing hype, but MAYBE it’s Specific Energy/Vapor Pressure etc?
        • Also potentially doesn’t have Rust Inhibitors then, for better or for worse?
        • The pure claim is a bit odd since neither Naphtha or Gasoline are a “pure” substance; they are all a mix of chemicals with some specified/similar properties (Boiling Point, Octane and/of Vapor Pressure, etc)
  • A 2004 MSDS for MSR Superfuel
    • ”CONTAINS:​95-100% LIGHT HYDROTREATED DISTILLATE (68410-97-9)[270-093-2]”
    • Also sidenote, despite getting rid of the waaaaaaaay cooler MSDS acronym, DAMN isn’t a modern SDS easier on the eyes lol
    • According to This Klean Strip Brand of VM&P Naphtha is essentially the same thing?
      • GRANTED product reverse engineering solely from a SDS, ESPECIALLY when they hide info like exact percentages etc may not be right; a proper HPLC / Mass Spectrometry test etc would be ideal
      • Also there is the potential for Material Compatibility Issues (Re G100UL etc)
  • A Neptune Mountaineering Listing Titled “MSR SUPER FUEL 1 QT” ( ‘’’About 16 USD each as of this edit’’’ )

Is there a Shortage/Phase Out

  • To-Do:
    • Determine if the current listings are New Old Stock etc
      • Could potentially email each company for official comment?
  • Could TRY and ask around / dig to see if anyone knows about it (if working in sales/logistics, or hopefully even the damn factory where they fill the cans!)

Potential Substitutes

Lighter Fluid

Naphtha

  • Naphtha / Petroleum Naphtha / Natural Gasoline and such may be similar / similar enough
  • Main issue is, as with “Gasoline”, Naphtha is an industry term for a category of chemicals that fit a similar list of requirements, not a specific chemical or STRICT standard
    • Thus even with CAS Numbers etc you can still end up getting slightly, yet significantly enough, different materials under the same name

Ethanol Free Gasoline

Internal Links

External Links