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=Sourcing= | =Sourcing= | ||
==Coleman Brand== | ==Proper White Gas== | ||
===Coleman Brand=== | |||
*Often can be found in Walmarts | *Often can be found in Walmarts | ||
**[https://www.walmart.com/ip/15971465360?sid=a8a29a6a-fd52-47e1-9de6-f66a6cc78c3a A Walmart Listing for “Coleman Fuel 1 Gallon” ] ( ‘’’~14 USD online as of this edit’’’ ) | **[https://www.walmart.com/ip/15971465360?sid=a8a29a6a-fd52-47e1-9de6-f66a6cc78c3a A Walmart Listing for “Coleman Fuel 1 Gallon” ] ( ‘’’~14 USD online as of this edit’’’ ) | ||
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***This MAY have just been an ai slop type (as often happens in niche products in e-commerce etc) | ***This MAY have just been an ai slop type (as often happens in niche products in e-commerce etc) | ||
***It COULD however also hint that it is now [[Butanized Naphtha]] | ***It COULD however also hint that it is now [[Butanized Naphtha]] | ||
*[https://www.academy.com/p/coleman-premium-blend-32-oz-liquid-fuel A 32oz Can at Academy Sports+Outdoors] | |||
==Crown== | ===Crown=== | ||
*Mentions having [[Metal Deactivators[] | *Mentions having [[Metal Deactivators[] | ||
*[https://www.amazon.com/PACKAGING-SERVICE-CO-Camp-Fuel/dp/B007CMDLV4 An Amazon Listing for “PACKAGING SERVICE CO - CFM64 Camp Fuel, 32 oz” ] | *[https://www.amazon.com/PACKAGING-SERVICE-CO-Camp-Fuel/dp/B007CMDLV4 An Amazon Listing for “PACKAGING SERVICE CO - CFM64 Camp Fuel, 32 oz” ] | ||
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**Ie large filled containers of gas are hard to ship? | **Ie large filled containers of gas are hard to ship? | ||
===MSR=== | |||
*[https://cascadedesigns.com/products/superfuel The MSR Page on the Product] | |||
**Quote: | |||
***” Due to hazardous materials shipping restrictions, we do not sell SuperFuel online. To purchase, please see your local retailer.“ | |||
**Also mentions quote: | |||
***”The highest performance white gas on the market. Superior Performance: Designed to improve stove performance, with fewer cleanings and less maintenance. Clean-Burning: Tested to be 100% pure. Reduced Clogging: No dyes or additives to solidify and cause clogs.” | |||
****”Highest Preformance” reeks of marketing hype, but MAYBE it’s Specific Energy/Vapor Pressure etc? | |||
****Also potentially doesn’t have Rust Inhibitors then, for better or for worse? | |||
****The pure claim is a bit odd since neither [[Naphtha]] or [[Gasoline]] are a “pure” substance; they are all a mix of chemicals with some specified/similar properties (Boiling Point, Octane and/of Vapor Pressure, etc) | |||
*[https://zenstoves.net/MSDS/MSDS-SuperFuel.doc A 2004 MSDS for MSR Superfuel] | |||
**”CONTAINS:95-100% LIGHT HYDROTREATED DISTILLATE (68410-97-9)[270-093-2]” | |||
**Also sidenote, despite getting rid of the waaaaaaaay cooler MSDS acronym, DAMN isn’t a modern [[SDS]] easier on the eyes lol | |||
**According to [https://www.barringredients.com/Content/PDFs/GVM46-KS-VM&P-Naphtha-SDS.pdf This Klean Strip Brand of] [[VM&P Naphtha]] is essentially the same thing? | |||
***GRANTED product reverse engineering solely from a SDS, ESPECIALLY when they hide info like exact percentages etc may not be right; a proper [[HPLC]] / [[Mass Spectrometry]] test etc would be ideal | |||
***Also there is the potential for Material Compatibility Issues (Re [[G100UL]] etc) | |||
*[https://www.neptunemountaineering.com/products/fuel-super-1qt?variant=42216497971335&country=US¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22495612710&gclid=Cj0KCQiAwYrNBhDcARIsAGo3u31TWhYNvVKdUPetr57rakh1lcJ4Y64p1naVKzqtkfWHaPkPy0Q-ArMaAqGJEALw_wcB A Neptune Mountaineering Listing Titled “MSR SUPER FUEL 1 QT” ] ( ‘’’About 16 USD each as of this edit’’’ ) | |||
===Is there a Shortage/Phase Out=== | |||
*To-Do: | |||
**Determine if the current listings are [[New Old Stock]] etc | |||
***Could potentially email each company for official comment? | |||
*Could TRY and ask around / dig to see if anyone knows about it (if working in sales/logistics, or hopefully even the damn factory where they fill the cans!) | |||
==Potential Substitutes== | |||
===Lighter Fluid=== | |||
*[[Lighter Fluid]] / [[Zippo Fluid]] etc may be similar formulations | |||
===Naphtha=== | |||
*[[Naphtha]] / [[Petroleum Naphtha]] / [[Natural Gasoline]] and such may be similar / similar enough | |||
*Main issue is, as with “Gasoline”, Naphtha is an industry term for a category of chemicals that fit a similar list of requirements, not a specific chemical or STRICT standard | |||
**Thus even with [[CAS Numbers]] etc you can still end up getting slightly, yet significantly enough, different materials under the same name | |||
===Ethanol Free Gasoline=== | |||
*Either from a pump (re [[Ethanol Free Gasoline]] ), or in shelf sold containers at Lawn Equipment/Home Improvement Stores such as this: | |||
**[https://www.homedepot.com/p/TruFuel-4-Cycle-Ethanol-Free-Fuel-110-oz-1-Pack-6527206/205913140 A Home Depot Listing for “ 4- Cycle Ethanol-Free Fuel 110 oz. (1-Pack)” ] | |||
***~24 USD for the 3.253L Can as of this Edit | |||
=Internal Links= | =Internal Links= | ||
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*On potential shortage/phaseout due to being largely obsolete: | *On potential shortage/phaseout due to being largely obsolete: | ||
**[https://www.reddit.com/r/flowarts/comments/1jp861i/camp_fuel_shortage/ A Reddit Post in the Context of Fire Poi/Baton Arts etc] | **[https://www.reddit.com/r/flowarts/comments/1jp861i/camp_fuel_shortage/ A Reddit Post in the Context of Fire Poi/Baton Arts etc] | ||
*[https://youtu.be/_PRUunYW9fY?si=cS3viLrlZz3FtcfG A Video by the YouTube Channel “Retro Tech & Electronics” Titled “Antique Coleman 425 Stove Testing Out Different Fuels for Performance” ] ( ‘’’ ~21 Minute Watch’’’ ) | |||
**They tested: | |||
***[[White Gas]] (the control (new) at ~18:30, and older staler white gas at ~16:40 timestamp) | |||
***Naphtha | |||
***[[E-10]] [[Gasoline]] (at ~12:30 timestamp) | |||
***[[Kerosene]] (at ~04:00 timestamp) | |||
****This did require an external pre-heat of the [[Vapor Generator]] + fouled the generator long term, but otherwise worked fine once up to temperature | |||
***[[Denatured Alcohol]] and [[Isopropanol]] ( at ~01:50 Timestamp) | |||
*[https://youtu.be/ucRWgQvjX98?si=9fnUoyuWCYuU9EHZ A Video by the YouTube Channel “Cutler’s Antiques” Titled “How long does Coleman fuel last? Let’s test a 50 year old can of white gas!” ] ( ‘’’ ~21 Minute Watch ‘’’ ) | |||
**They used a lantern for testing, and didn’t do much timing, so this was far more of a binary “it works/doesn’t work” + a qualitative smell+visual test, BUT interesting nonetheless | |||
**The old can was metal and had a metal stopper/seal press fit under the cap, so that probably helped with moisture+oxygen etc + [[Fractional Evaporation (Fuel Storage) ]] concerns somewhag cheating on the test | |||
Latest revision as of 23:38, 28 February 2026
Basics
- The MOST COMMON + generic term for a Specialized Liquid Fuel
- It is mainly used in Pressure Lanterns / Liquid Fuel Stoves designed for use with it, and thus is often called “Camp Fuel”
- The fact that the Coleman brand made+makes much of the devices that use it has lead to it often being called “Coleman Fuel” as well
- Essentially it is akin to a modern formulation of Old Formulation Gasoline
- Early automobile/pre-automobile “gasoline” was typically “Drip Gas” / Natural Gas Liquids derived…NOT a specified product
- Given they were a common technology of the time (due to Rural Electrification still going on etc) the “heyday” of the technology was from this period, hence it is the go-to specification
- Newer “dual fuel” lanterns can run on “pump gas” / “mogas” (aka standard, albeit preferably Ethanol Free Gasoline )
- Multifuel Liquid Fuel Pressure Stoves typically run “cleanest” on White Gas (or [[Fuel Alcohol, albeit that can have corrosion issues, Material Compatibility Issues , and overall isn’t advisable unless specifically designed in (or if it is not stored in the stove; the stove is stored DRY)
- ”Heavier” fuels such as Kerosene or Diesel etc foul the Vapor Generator more quickly, necessitating more frequent maintenance (also may clog the nozzle)
- Given they were a common technology of the time (due to Rural Electrification still going on etc) the “heyday” of the technology was from this period, hence it is the go-to specification
- Early automobile/pre-automobile “gasoline” was typically “Drip Gas” / Natural Gas Liquids derived…NOT a specified product
Sourcing
Proper White Gas
Coleman Brand
- Often can be found in Walmarts
- A Walmart Listing for “Coleman Fuel 1 Gallon” ( ‘’’~14 USD online as of this edit’’’ )
- Has the composition changed over time?
- The reddit post pointed out how Butane/Propane were added to the name/description
- This MAY have just been an ai slop type (as often happens in niche products in e-commerce etc)
- It COULD however also hint that it is now Butanized Naphtha
- The reddit post pointed out how Butane/Propane were added to the name/description
- A 32oz Can at Academy Sports+Outdoors
Crown
- Mentions having [[Metal Deactivators[]
- An Amazon Listing for “PACKAGING SERVICE CO - CFM64 Camp Fuel, 32 oz”
- 32usfloz=1quart or 1/4 gallon so this is NOT what the picture shows
- As per many of the reviews point out
- 946ml
- Need to see if this is due to Hazmat Shipping Regulations ?
- Ie large filled containers of gas are hard to ship?
MSR
- The MSR Page on the Product
- Quote:
- ” Due to hazardous materials shipping restrictions, we do not sell SuperFuel online. To purchase, please see your local retailer.“
- Also mentions quote:
- ”The highest performance white gas on the market. Superior Performance: Designed to improve stove performance, with fewer cleanings and less maintenance. Clean-Burning: Tested to be 100% pure. Reduced Clogging: No dyes or additives to solidify and cause clogs.”
- ”Highest Preformance” reeks of marketing hype, but MAYBE it’s Specific Energy/Vapor Pressure etc?
- Also potentially doesn’t have Rust Inhibitors then, for better or for worse?
- The pure claim is a bit odd since neither Naphtha or Gasoline are a “pure” substance; they are all a mix of chemicals with some specified/similar properties (Boiling Point, Octane and/of Vapor Pressure, etc)
- ”The highest performance white gas on the market. Superior Performance: Designed to improve stove performance, with fewer cleanings and less maintenance. Clean-Burning: Tested to be 100% pure. Reduced Clogging: No dyes or additives to solidify and cause clogs.”
- Quote:
- A 2004 MSDS for MSR Superfuel
- ”CONTAINS:95-100% LIGHT HYDROTREATED DISTILLATE (68410-97-9)[270-093-2]”
- Also sidenote, despite getting rid of the waaaaaaaay cooler MSDS acronym, DAMN isn’t a modern SDS easier on the eyes lol
- According to This Klean Strip Brand of VM&P Naphtha is essentially the same thing?
- GRANTED product reverse engineering solely from a SDS, ESPECIALLY when they hide info like exact percentages etc may not be right; a proper HPLC / Mass Spectrometry test etc would be ideal
- Also there is the potential for Material Compatibility Issues (Re G100UL etc)
- A Neptune Mountaineering Listing Titled “MSR SUPER FUEL 1 QT” ( ‘’’About 16 USD each as of this edit’’’ )
Is there a Shortage/Phase Out
- To-Do:
- Determine if the current listings are New Old Stock etc
- Could potentially email each company for official comment?
- Determine if the current listings are New Old Stock etc
- Could TRY and ask around / dig to see if anyone knows about it (if working in sales/logistics, or hopefully even the damn factory where they fill the cans!)
Potential Substitutes
Lighter Fluid
- Lighter Fluid / Zippo Fluid etc may be similar formulations
Naphtha
- Naphtha / Petroleum Naphtha / Natural Gasoline and such may be similar / similar enough
- Main issue is, as with “Gasoline”, Naphtha is an industry term for a category of chemicals that fit a similar list of requirements, not a specific chemical or STRICT standard
- Thus even with CAS Numbers etc you can still end up getting slightly, yet significantly enough, different materials under the same name
Ethanol Free Gasoline
- Either from a pump (re Ethanol Free Gasoline ), or in shelf sold containers at Lawn Equipment/Home Improvement Stores such as this:
- A Home Depot Listing for “ 4- Cycle Ethanol-Free Fuel 110 oz. (1-Pack)”
- ~24 USD for the 3.253L Can as of this Edit
- A Home Depot Listing for “ 4- Cycle Ethanol-Free Fuel 110 oz. (1-Pack)”
Internal Links
External Links
- The Wikipedia Page on Coleman Fuel
- A Post on Learn to Drill . Com titled “What is White Gasoline”
- A PSA by the Australian Institute of Petroleum Titled “ THE COLOUR OF AUSTRALIAN UNLEADED PETROL IS CHANGING”
- Compares Dyed and Undyed Gasoline
- Despite being undyed, most gasoline is still a pale yellow
- Although i’ve never heard the term “Yellow Gasoline” perhaps it’s a historical term
- ”Red Diesel” is sometimes used to refer to Off Road Diesel
- Despite being undyed, most gasoline is still a pale yellow
- Compares Dyed and Undyed Gasoline
- On potential shortage/phaseout due to being largely obsolete:
- A Video by the YouTube Channel “Retro Tech & Electronics” Titled “Antique Coleman 425 Stove Testing Out Different Fuels for Performance” ( ‘’’ ~21 Minute Watch’’’ )
- They tested:
- White Gas (the control (new) at ~18:30, and older staler white gas at ~16:40 timestamp)
- Naphtha
- E-10 Gasoline (at ~12:30 timestamp)
- Kerosene (at ~04:00 timestamp)
- This did require an external pre-heat of the Vapor Generator + fouled the generator long term, but otherwise worked fine once up to temperature
- Denatured Alcohol and Isopropanol ( at ~01:50 Timestamp)
- They tested:
- A Video by the YouTube Channel “Cutler’s Antiques” Titled “How long does Coleman fuel last? Let’s test a 50 year old can of white gas!” ( ‘’’ ~21 Minute Watch ‘’’ )
- They used a lantern for testing, and didn’t do much timing, so this was far more of a binary “it works/doesn’t work” + a qualitative smell+visual test, BUT interesting nonetheless
- The old can was metal and had a metal stopper/seal press fit under the cap, so that probably helped with moisture+oxygen etc + Fractional Evaporation (Fuel Storage) concerns somewhag cheating on the test