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If things aren't ready yet for building a septic system or a blackwater-capable large scale Living Machine there are these quick off-the-shelf options.
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=Buy=
*Tank $120 N7714T-DF [https://bath4all.com/products/niagara-the-original-0_95-gpf-dual-flush-toilet-tank-in-white?srsltid=AfmBOopHXVT7RJcaUM7q0PNisSjBN8GI9e6aicimw7V_XYpBBoQcrJYm]
*Bowl Round - n7716  - $122 [https://bath4all.com/products/niagara-n7716-the-original-round-toilet-bowl-in-white?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=5d6dbc1c7&pr_rec_pid=7346376245307&pr_ref_pid=7346376179771&pr_seq=uniform]
*Bowl Elongated - [https://bath4all.com/products/niagara-n7717-the-original-elongated-toilet-bowl-in-white?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=f78309f4b&pr_rec_pid=7346376278075&pr_ref_pid=7346376245307&pr_seq=uniform]
*N7714-DF is compatible with N7717 [https://fergusonprod.a.bigcontent.io/v1/static/7546005_6335032_specification]
*$266 combo [https://www.conservationmart.com/niagara-n771714e-df-original-stealth-dual-flush-elongated-toilet-bowl-tank/?srsltid=AfmBOor53GcQHGm8VsryEtNwONYxbDCvUt9WsHy7EF0MlErtsjyr0XNp]. Free ship?
 
=Standard=
Notes:
*Rear outlet version does exist for Niagara 0.95 gpf [https://www.homedepot.com/p/reviews/1Niagara-Stealth-The-Original-2-piece-0-5-0-95-GPF-Dual-Flush-Round-Front-Toilet-in-White-Seat-Not-Included-N7716-N7714-DF/324566094/1]
*Tuscany 1.1/1.6 gpf - [https://www.menards.com/main/bath/toilets/two-piece-toilets/tuscany-reg-michigan-2-piece-white-tall-elongated-toilet/z22e16s18246-n/p-1444429271518-c-5974.htm?exp=false]
*{{check}}Niagara The Original 0.5/0.95 dual. Specification is impressive [https://fergusonprod.a.bigcontent.io/v1/static/7546005_6335032_specification]. $266 - [https://www.conservationmart.com/niagara-n771714e-df-original-stealth-dual-flush-elongated-toilet-bowl-tank/?setCurrencyId=1&sku=15098&srsltid=AfmBOooWQF1UmwHLbBm3gyUNBBYT59PtLSmdrmNmCE-iO3mElTi9s2ECx4U&gQT=2] [This model is compatible with N7717, N7716 and N2235RB]. Does not appear to be a flush and brush system from good reviews [https://www.homedepot.com/p/reviews/Niagara-Stealth-The-Original-2-piece-0-5-0-95-GPF-Dual-Flush-Round-Front-Toilet-in-White-Seat-Not-Included-N7716-N7714-DF/324566094/1].
**More - $284 [https://www.ebay.com/itm/126704969906]
*Niagara Nano - even better at 0.5/0.8 gpf. $311 - [https://www.conservationmart.com/niagara-nano-0-5-0-8-gpf-dual-flush-elongated-toilet-with-tank-n7737eb-n7747t-df/]. Reviews?
*Niagara Nano exists in 0.8 single flush [https://centraltx.requested-info.com/brands/NIA/documents/specSheets/Nano0.8_CompactElongated.pdf]
*tank only $148 [https://www.ferguson.com/product/niagara-the-original-0.95-gpf-dual-flush-toilet-tank-in-white-nn7714tdf/7546005.html?srsltid=AfmBOorF0oOr-P9yqHEZQJXg53tCL-m1PCbziMAMkmm1xkAVmawNOnEc]
 
=Model Numbers=
*Niagara catalog - [https://concept-bath.com/catalogues/Niagara-cat.pdf]. Includes 1/2 gpm aerator showerheads
*N771614R-DF - Round, 0.5/ dual Niagara Original
*N7737EB/N7747T-DF - Niagara Nano
*Says the 0.8 gpf model [https://www.rampartsupply.com/buy/product/nia-n7716/512831?text=niagara] is compatible with the 0.5/ dual toilet.
*Dual flush nano tank - Part #NN7747TDF
 
=List of 0.8 GPF=
*https://www.csu.org/hubfs/Document%20Library/Qualifying%20Residential%20Toilets%202024.pdf
 
=Notes=
*{{check}}'''ultra low water used, lowered water bill imediately''' - dual flush tank only is $124 [https://www.lowes.com/pd/Niagara-Conservation-Stealth-White-0-95-GPF-Dual-Flush-High-Efficiency-Toilet-Tank/5005389969]
*8 average bathroom visits per day [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=how+many+times+does+an+average+american+go+to+the+bathroom+per+day&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]
*This one says 6 times per day or 10 gpd with low-flush 1.6 gal - [https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+water+does+an+average+person+spend+flushing+water+toilet&sca_esv=861d6c36a75495fa&sxsrf=AHTn8zrNPPnKJWUTy6CyCKyRBnGd5ZlWqA%3A1747501556838&ei=9MEoaJv5MqnewN4P7fnm8QI&ved=0ahUKEwibw6jM_qqNAxUpL9AFHe28OS4Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=how+much+water+does+an+average+person+spend+flushing+water+toilet&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiQWhvdyBtdWNoIHdhdGVyIGRvZXMgYW4gYXZlcmFnZSBwZXJzb24gc3BlbmQgZmx1c2hpbmcgd2F0ZXIgdG9pbGV0SOx_UM0PWMx-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_PiAYBkAYIugYGCAEQARgBkgcFNTIuMjWgB8WsBLIHBTM4LjI1uAfgLsIHCTAuMTguNTguMcgHtQI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp]
*6 gallons per person per day is saved if we use 0.5 gpf. Average household of 2.5 [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=average+household+size+usa&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5] thus saves about 5500 gallons per year.
*1/4 to 1/3 of water bill is spent flushing money down the toilet [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=what+percent+of+household+water+use+is+flushing&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5#vhid=smM0LCg-BF-rLM&vssid=l]
*Avg water bill is $50. Water saving toilets thus save $15 of this per month, or $180 per year.
*If we calculate from gallons, take around 5000 gallons per month - [https://www.google.com/search?q=average+mothly+water+use+usa&sca_esv=861d6c36a75495fa&sxsrf=AHTn8zpCPaqPQR3bT1JfEEhTYvd1pXcmOw%3A1747502087939&ei=B8QoaIeLOazBp84PpZaViQ8&ved=0ahUKEwjHqsjJgKuNAxWs4MkDHSVLJfEQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=average+mothly+water+use+usa&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiHGF2ZXJhZ2UgbW90aGx5IHdhdGVyIHVzZSB1c2EyCBAAGBYYChgeMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBTILEAAYgAQYhgMYigUyCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYogQYiQUyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEiXDlDpCFiPDHABeAGQAQCYAV2gAdICqgEBNLgBA8gBAPgBAZgCBaAC8ALCAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgIHEAAYgAQYDcICBhAAGBYYHpgDAOIDBRIBMSBAiAYBkAYIkgcBNaAH6iiyBwE0uAfpAsIHAzItNcgHGg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp]. Equals to a cent per gallon on a $50 water bill.
*For 5000 gal/month - a home saves 18,000 gallons of water per year. This is just for average 2.5 person household size.
 
=Communications=
*Multiply your 5 cents times 6 per day times 365 days and you have $110 per year. That is for a single person. Average family in the USA is 2.5, so if this average family wants to flush an added $275 per year down the toilet - they are welcome to do so. I would rather keep 3 crisp Benjamin Franklins in my wallet, not to mention lower taxes if the sewer utility needs to process 25-30% less water if everyone believed this. For example - take a look at the specs of a superefficient Niagara Nano - unbelievable and looks like it's unmatched even in Europe: https://fergusonprod.a.bigcontent.io/v1/static/7546005_6335032_specification. Reviews on Home Depot indicate that this is not a flush-and-brush toilet - one flush seems to work well. We are getting 6 of these for our school, as we are interested in saving 180,000 gallons of water per year. Will report on our track record in a year.
 
*Dear Annie, I saw your article - https://fohomeceramics.com/what-is-the-difference-between-american-toilets-and-european-toilets/ . Curious if you are aware of any toilet in Europe more efficient than the Niagara Nano made in the USA? https://fergusonprod.a.bigcontent.io/v1/static/7546005_6335032_specification Thanks, Marcin
 
=Reviews=
*https://terrylove.com/forums/index.php?threads/stealth-toilet-by-niagara-niagra.39848/. Need air space behind tank as air flow is required for flush assist?
*The Spruce  [https://www.thespruce.com/best-pressure-assisted-toilets-4158678]
 
=Eco=
 
If things aren't ready yet for building a septic system or a blackwater-capable large scale [[Living Machines|Living Machine]] there are these quick off-the-shelf options.


Compact composting toilets;
Compact composting toilets;
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(from Eric Hunting)
(from Eric Hunting)


[[Category:Infrastructure]]
=Links=
*[[Bricor]]

Latest revision as of 19:07, 17 May 2025

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Buy

  • Tank $120 N7714T-DF [1]
  • Bowl Round - n7716 - $122 [2]
  • Bowl Elongated - [3]
  • N7714-DF is compatible with N7717 [4]
  • $266 combo [5]. Free ship?

Standard

Notes:

  • Rear outlet version does exist for Niagara 0.95 gpf [6]
  • Tuscany 1.1/1.6 gpf - [7]
  • Check.pngNiagara The Original 0.5/0.95 dual. Specification is impressive [8]. $266 - [9] [This model is compatible with N7717, N7716 and N2235RB]. Does not appear to be a flush and brush system from good reviews [10].
  • Niagara Nano - even better at 0.5/0.8 gpf. $311 - [12]. Reviews?
  • Niagara Nano exists in 0.8 single flush [13]
  • tank only $148 [14]

Model Numbers

  • Niagara catalog - [15]. Includes 1/2 gpm aerator showerheads
  • N771614R-DF - Round, 0.5/ dual Niagara Original
  • N7737EB/N7747T-DF - Niagara Nano
  • Says the 0.8 gpf model [16] is compatible with the 0.5/ dual toilet.
  • Dual flush nano tank - Part #NN7747TDF

List of 0.8 GPF

Notes

  • Check.pngultra low water used, lowered water bill imediately - dual flush tank only is $124 [17]
  • 8 average bathroom visits per day [18]
  • This one says 6 times per day or 10 gpd with low-flush 1.6 gal - [19]
  • 6 gallons per person per day is saved if we use 0.5 gpf. Average household of 2.5 [20] thus saves about 5500 gallons per year.
  • 1/4 to 1/3 of water bill is spent flushing money down the toilet [21]
  • Avg water bill is $50. Water saving toilets thus save $15 of this per month, or $180 per year.
  • If we calculate from gallons, take around 5000 gallons per month - [22]. Equals to a cent per gallon on a $50 water bill.
  • For 5000 gal/month - a home saves 18,000 gallons of water per year. This is just for average 2.5 person household size.

Communications

  • Multiply your 5 cents times 6 per day times 365 days and you have $110 per year. That is for a single person. Average family in the USA is 2.5, so if this average family wants to flush an added $275 per year down the toilet - they are welcome to do so. I would rather keep 3 crisp Benjamin Franklins in my wallet, not to mention lower taxes if the sewer utility needs to process 25-30% less water if everyone believed this. For example - take a look at the specs of a superefficient Niagara Nano - unbelievable and looks like it's unmatched even in Europe: https://fergusonprod.a.bigcontent.io/v1/static/7546005_6335032_specification. Reviews on Home Depot indicate that this is not a flush-and-brush toilet - one flush seems to work well. We are getting 6 of these for our school, as we are interested in saving 180,000 gallons of water per year. Will report on our track record in a year.

Reviews

Eco

If things aren't ready yet for building a septic system or a blackwater-capable large scale Living Machine there are these quick off-the-shelf options.

Compact composting toilets;

http://www.sun-mar.com/

(limited in capacity and so sometimes finicky. Compost suited to gardening, but people tend to prefer using it for non-food crops even if there's no technical reason for it. Must avoid chemicals and drugs in the blackwater stream)

Marine-type incinerating toilets;

http://www.incinolet.com/

(power hungry, expensive, uses consumable paper liners, needs good wind flow in the region and tall vent pipes, but the cleanest, most convenient, and low in maintenance -and helps keep the bathroom warm in winter... Ash is dry and odorless and can be safely put right in the ground or in the trash -or into the sea for that matter. Standard equipment on many yachts and for the Sea Room vacation housing developed by US Subs)

Larger scale composting systems;

http://www.clivusmultrum.com/

Tends to need basement installations but serves whole buildings.

I also recommend this book, both for the art and the subject;

http://www.amazon.com/Septic-System-Owners-Manual/dp/0936070404/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240294427&sr=1-2

(from Eric Hunting)

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