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=Selection= | =Buy= | ||
==Selection== | |||
OSE's 2020 choice for an engine is the Poulan 19 hp x4 for 74 hp - [https://www.ebay.com/i/254194614988?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=254194614988&targetid=935431404933&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9023315&poi=&campaignid=10454521601&mkgroupid=104612011660&rlsatarget=pla-935431404933&abcId=2146002&merchantid=101723803&gclid=CjwKCAjwiaX8BRBZEiwAQQxGx--SgNgCEmMPgC4Ek30zXf6Lo18eX2SlvgzHy47POZRs2Sc3yRgR4hoCUU4QAvD_BwE] | OSE's 2020 choice for an engine is the Poulan 19 hp x4 for 74 hp - [https://www.ebay.com/i/254194614988?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=254194614988&targetid=935431404933&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9023315&poi=&campaignid=10454521601&mkgroupid=104612011660&rlsatarget=pla-935431404933&abcId=2146002&merchantid=101723803&gclid=CjwKCAjwiaX8BRBZEiwAQQxGx--SgNgCEmMPgC4Ek30zXf6Lo18eX2SlvgzHy47POZRs2Sc3yRgR4hoCUU4QAvD_BwE] | ||
=Gas= | ==Gas== | ||
'''The threshold for relatively inexpensive engines is 19 hp.''' | '''The threshold for relatively inexpensive engines is 19 hp.''' | ||
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*'''18hp Duromax $18/hp''' - has muffler, but not charging {{x}}- such as for a fan - [https://www.maxtool.com/products/duromax-xp18hp-440cc-18-hp-recoil-start-horizontal-gas-powered-engine?gclid=CjwKCAjwzMeFBhBwEiwAzwS8zIiE5wELYBs-whgO_x3sCukvav0_O4DbexejLwm-PdkdHPIqctL4ERoC4sQQAvD_BwE] | *'''18hp Duromax $18/hp''' - has muffler, but not charging {{x}}- such as for a fan - [https://www.maxtool.com/products/duromax-xp18hp-440cc-18-hp-recoil-start-horizontal-gas-powered-engine?gclid=CjwKCAjwzMeFBhBwEiwAzwS8zIiE5wELYBs-whgO_x3sCukvav0_O4DbexejLwm-PdkdHPIqctL4ERoC4sQQAvD_BwE] | ||
=Diesel= | ==Diesel== | ||
*30 hp Kubota $5000 - $166/hp [https://www.ebay.com/i/333616486882?chn=ps] | *30 hp Kubota $5000 - $166/hp [https://www.ebay.com/i/333616486882?chn=ps] | ||
*33 hp Kubota - $6500 [http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=303553207698&category=46098&pm=1&ds=0&t=1602096897000&ver=0] | *33 hp Kubota - $6500 [http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=303553207698&category=46098&pm=1&ds=0&t=1602096897000&ver=0] | ||
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*300 hp [https://www.skoolielivin.com/caterpillar-cat-3116-3126-diesel-engine/] $7500 [https://usengineproduction.com/products/3126-CATERPILLAR-CAT-3126-3V-CKM-8YL-7AS-9SZ-BKD-DIESEL-LONG-BLOCK-ENGINE-/238#linktohere] | *300 hp [https://www.skoolielivin.com/caterpillar-cat-3116-3126-diesel-engine/] $7500 [https://usengineproduction.com/products/3126-CATERPILLAR-CAT-3126-3V-CKM-8YL-7AS-9SZ-BKD-DIESEL-LONG-BLOCK-ENGINE-/238#linktohere] | ||
=Considerations= | ==Considerations== | ||
*Until an open source engine becomes a reality, engine repair is expensive. $50/hr, easily comes to the new engine price for the $300 gas engine. This indicates that small engines are essentially disposable goods. | *Until an open source engine becomes a reality, engine repair is expensive. $50/hr, easily comes to the new engine price for the $300 gas engine. This indicates that small engines are essentially disposable goods. | ||
*For the large diesel engine, parts are expensive. | *For the large diesel engine, parts are expensive. | ||
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*It is an immediate priority of OSE to develop open source small engines, $11B market (see [[Market Size]]) and larger ones are more like 200 billion | *It is an immediate priority of OSE to develop open source small engines, $11B market (see [[Market Size]]) and larger ones are more like 200 billion | ||
=Engine Links= | ==Engine Links== | ||
#500 &U 1000 hour lifetime for small engines - [https://www.quora.com/How-many-hours-will-a-Briggs-and-Stratton-engine-last#:~:text=If%20the%20engine%20has%20proper,(no%20alcohol%20added)%20fuel] | #500 &U 1000 hour lifetime for small engines - [https://www.quora.com/How-many-hours-will-a-Briggs-and-Stratton-engine-last#:~:text=If%20the%20engine%20has%20proper,(no%20alcohol%20added)%20fuel] | ||
#2000-4000 year life of car engines [https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/how-long-should-an-engine-last#:~:text=This%20is%20why%20we%20use,or%20before%20it%20is%20due.] - 150k miles | #2000-4000 year life of car engines [https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/how-long-should-an-engine-last#:~:text=This%20is%20why%20we%20use,or%20before%20it%20is%20due.] - 150k miles | ||
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#Pellet-fired stirling engine buggy - [http://www.precer.com/Technology.html see PDF file] | #Pellet-fired stirling engine buggy - [http://www.precer.com/Technology.html see PDF file] | ||
#Several links to various engine types including Sterling, Wankel, Steam, etc. [http://www.green-trust.org/engines.htm]. | #Several links to various engine types including Sterling, Wankel, Steam, etc. [http://www.green-trust.org/engines.htm]. | ||
=Types= | |||
==Rotary== | |||
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Revision as of 00:20, 26 January 2023
Buy
Selection
OSE's 2020 choice for an engine is the Poulan 19 hp x4 for 74 hp - [1]
Gas
The threshold for relatively inexpensive engines is 19 hp.
- 27 hp - $980 - $36/hp - [2]. And needs muffler.
- 24 hp - $870 - $36/hp [3]
- 22 hp - Briggs - $29/hp - [4]
- 20 hp - Kohler $700 - $35/hp + muffler - [5]
- 19 hp Poulan - - $20.5/hp - $390 - [6]
- 16 hp - $350 - Poulan - [7]. No gas pump, gravity feed gas. But, doesn't come with muffler.
Has 15A charging. Muffler - [8] - 16hp - $330 - Duromax, $20.6/hp - [9]
- 7 hp - $159 - $22/hp - but no electric start - [10]
- 18hp Duromax $18/hp - has muffler, but not charging
- such as for a fan - [11]
Diesel
- 30 hp Kubota $5000 - $166/hp [12]
- 33 hp Kubota - $6500 [13]
- 65 HP - $6300 - $100/hp [14]
- 200 hp - $55/HP - $11k - Cummins - [15]
- 360 HP Mack used - $10/HP - $3600
- 300 hp [16] $7500 [17]
Considerations
- Until an open source engine becomes a reality, engine repair is expensive. $50/hr, easily comes to the new engine price for the $300 gas engine. This indicates that small engines are essentially disposable goods.
- For the large diesel engine, parts are expensive.
- Until the advent of the open source diesel engine, engine costs remain 10x as high as they should be.
- Until the OS engine, disposable engines are a suboptimal but acceptable strategy to keep costs of engine systems low.
- It is an immediate priority of OSE to develop open source small engines, $11B market (see Market Size) and larger ones are more like 200 billion
Engine Links
- 500 &U 1000 hour lifetime for small engines - [18]
- 2000-4000 year life of car engines [19] - 150k miles
- Tractor engines - 5-10k hours [20]
- Pellet-fired stirling engine buggy - see PDF file
- Several links to various engine types including Sterling, Wankel, Steam, etc. [21].
Types
Rotary