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Yes, it is. You can assume that most things like that are I think. If it can't be made with the flexfab facility/microfactory, then a machine can be made with the facility to make it. I looked into nickel plated steel wool, which is reported to work well in patents, and I talk about this on the nife battery pages. I think pocket plates are likely easier to make though although it is not clear, and they don't need a separator (with the wool you can get a stray whisker of wool that shorts the battery plates so the separator is wanted to prevent that, the other problem is that it reportedly requires a long slow (many hours) diffusion bonding treatment. If we could get away without the diffusion bonding then it could be practical. Secondly I couldn't find a source of steel wool in anything other than 4 inch wide strips although I guess that would work okay. I calculated that normal I think #000 steel wool would be acceptable in terms of fiber diameter and density after coining.) | Yes, it is. You can assume that most things like that are I think. If it can't be made with the flexfab facility/microfactory, then a machine can be made with the facility to make it. I looked into nickel plated steel wool, which is reported to work well in patents, and I talk about this on the nife battery pages. I think pocket plates are likely easier to make though although it is not clear, and they don't need a separator (with the wool you can get a stray whisker of wool that shorts the battery plates so the separator is wanted to prevent that, the other problem is that it reportedly requires a long slow (many hours) diffusion bonding treatment. If we could get away without the diffusion bonding then it could be practical. Secondly I couldn't find a source of steel wool in anything other than 4 inch wide strips although I guess that would work okay. I calculated that normal I think #000 steel wool would be acceptable in terms of fiber diameter and density after coining.) | ||
However the steel wool never seems to be used in commercial batteries so that IMO is another reason to play it safe and stick with pocket plates. [[User:Gregortheinventor|Gregor]] 06:45, 15 July 2011 (PDT) | However the steel wool never seems to be used in commercial batteries so that IMO is another reason to play it safe and stick with pocket plates. | ||
Oh, also, did you see on the research page that the archive of edison's patents had been found? I Should add that to the library maybe. [[User:Gregortheinventor|Gregor]] 06:45, 15 July 2011 (PDT) | |||
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Hey there Ron, I noticed you seemed to be doing some research on batteries and have found some information I had nor been able to find. I was just thinking, we have not been able to get any good information on the design and construction of modern pocket plate batteries. So I just wanted to mention that if you feel the itch to apply your skills to more research, this area would be particularly valuable to throw some light on. Gregor 09:16, 14 July 2011 (PDT)
Hi, Gregor. I'll keep my eyes out. Edison perforated his metal and pressed the perf plates together. I've obtained an Edison Lamp Battery (age unknown) which I intend to dissect at some point in the future ... How does one get the username/datetime stamp automatically added to the end of 'talk' messages? Is there a 'talk' function I'm missing?
http://www.google.com/patents?id=wKNTAAAAEBAJ
To sign a message, use four tilda's (~) in a row. Mjn 15:03, 14 July 2011 (PDT)
Thanks for the tip, Mjn. Gregor, check out the new info on Edison Battery. Pretty good info on plate elements. Sounds like we could use nickel plated mesh for plates, but is making steel mesh and plating it (or making nickel mesh) within the range of capabilities imagined for GVCS? Ron Broberg 16:07, 14 July 2011 (PDT)
Yes, it is. You can assume that most things like that are I think. If it can't be made with the flexfab facility/microfactory, then a machine can be made with the facility to make it. I looked into nickel plated steel wool, which is reported to work well in patents, and I talk about this on the nife battery pages. I think pocket plates are likely easier to make though although it is not clear, and they don't need a separator (with the wool you can get a stray whisker of wool that shorts the battery plates so the separator is wanted to prevent that, the other problem is that it reportedly requires a long slow (many hours) diffusion bonding treatment. If we could get away without the diffusion bonding then it could be practical. Secondly I couldn't find a source of steel wool in anything other than 4 inch wide strips although I guess that would work okay. I calculated that normal I think #000 steel wool would be acceptable in terms of fiber diameter and density after coining.)
However the steel wool never seems to be used in commercial batteries so that IMO is another reason to play it safe and stick with pocket plates.
Oh, also, did you see on the research page that the archive of edison's patents had been found? I Should add that to the library maybe. Gregor 06:45, 15 July 2011 (PDT)