Skid Steer Sourcing

Working Doc

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t7QQcWfOQvKsQ8uAjQQ81qibKK1NJ_ZUvSRKedw_o1s/edit?slide=id.g36aa3edb29d_0_0#slide=id.g36aa3edb29d_0_0

Economics

• At $50k for a new Chinese skid steer from a US importer - ROI over lifetime is only 2-3 - and that is with off-brand best-in global class such as XCMG from China [1]. Which brings the chat to lifetime design - of a for-ever machine. A 50 year machine has 40 ROI = Freedom. Chat starts the design process, but it needs training.
• If considering a brand name - 75 hp grade costs about $75k. ROI there? Treadmill ROI. See details:
• Compare to rentals - $2200/month for a wheel skid, 75 hp Case SV280. [2]. Per year - say you use it 4 hours for 250 days - 1000 hours per year [3]. Yearly cost to rent is $26k. So a China skid bought - has an ROI say 5x compared to rental.
• OSE version: 50x ROI! That is called freedom. Chat - [4]
  • 76 hp (2x EFI 999 cc)
  • $15k materials cost
  • Fuel from plastic pyrolysis
  • Power Cubes with <$1000 annual maintenance/operating costs
  • Lifetime design - common off the shelf parts. 50 year or more life, not 5 year.

Liugong 385B vs XCMG SV12?

• https://chatgpt.com/share/685a2a6c-4034-8010-973b-12c92ee66a70
• Liugong $15k 385B? [5]
• Liugong 70kw $32k? 385B? [6]
• Add Fusen - Firebull - [7]
• Liugong v Firebull - firebull you are on your own - but apparently it is simpler? Firebull not industrial grade.
• Sany SSL75 , Liugong 385B, XCMG SV12
• $10k CFG in the USA - new! 30hp tracked. [8]
• Price - 32k+ FOB for Liugong 885B, $38k–$45k for XCMG SV12.
  • 32k https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/China-Liugong-1-Ton-Svl1200-385b_1601399724996.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.a85313a0mxfPbu
  • 39k [9]
  • $30k EPA? [10]
• Inquiry Email

Telehandler

Chat - [11]

• Yuchai $20k 4 ton [12]
• Tewrex $26k 3 ton 10 m [13] . Tewrex Email
• Honest Machinery - Honest Email

Chats

Newest on top.

• https://chatgpt.com/share/68577c29-8d18-8010-907e-3a2ec0665c7f

Session 2

• EPA Tier 4, 74 hp $17k [14]
• Changlin TS100, 100hp EPA $35k [15]
• Infront YF60 $30k delivered 60 hp [16]

USA

• Sunward - [17]

Process

• Importing Checklist
• DPF and SCR - Tier 4 EPA requirements
• DDP - full ship to your door

Reviewed

• Linyi Monashi - [18]
• $14.5k EPA 50hp [19]. Recommended as decent guys by Chance-Try-8837 in this thread - [20]. See chat - [21]
• Same source, CG67W - 75hp EPA $20k [22]
• EPA 74 hp tracked, CG67T - $20k [23]
• $29k 102 hp EPA [24]

Start

• XC7-TV12 $20k EPA [25]
• XC7-SV12 $22.5k - EPA [26]
• Tracked XCMG - $35k EPA [27], USA $65k [28]
• 770k for $9k 1.25 ton [29]
• XCMG XC770k 100 hp! $15k [30]
• $20k for XC770k 75 KW - [31]. EPA Compliance. Make sure the engine is Tier 4 Final compliant with U.S. emissions regulations. Ask for EPA Form 3520-21 and engine certificates before paying. Chat of inquiry email - [32]
  • Notes: given that inquiry emails can be automated, it would be interesting to explore how such inquiries can help us open source a machine by starting with available components - before we actually build the components in house..
• JC45 - 3 ton [33]
• 30kW 3 ton $16k [34]
• 60kW 4 ton $24k [35]
• $6k tracked - [36]
• Importing - Chat [37]
• $10k 18 kW wheeled, 3000 lb [38]
• Stand on $3k [39]

Inquiry

https://chatgpt.com/share/6851d688-34bc-8010-93ef-a7676f3186b5

Subject: Request for Full Service Documentation and Spare Parts List Before Purchase of Skid Steer Loader

Dear [Supplier's Name / Sales Manager],

I am considering purchasing one of your skid steer loaders for use in the United States and am reaching out to request detailed service-related information in advance of any purchase decision.

Since this equipment will be shipped overseas, it is essential for us to evaluate in advance the feasibility, cost, and logistics of long-term repair and maintenance. For this reason, I kindly ask that you provide all available documentation prior to purchase to help us assess the total cost of ownership and lifetime support potential.

Specifically, please send the following (if available):

Full maintenance and service manual

Complete exploded part diagrams / assembly drawings

CAD files (2D or 3D) for major components, if accessible

Full Bill of Materials (BOM)

List of suppliers or brands used for core components (e.g., hydraulics, engine, pump, electrics)

Complete electrical and hydraulic schematics

Troubleshooting guides

Any firmware/software files and diagnostics tools, if applicable

An exhaustive list of spare parts, including:

Parts we may need to source from third parties

Spare parts that you stock and offer for purchase

Any wear parts or components typically requiring replacement within the first 1–3 years of use

My intention is to determine not only the immediate value of the machine, but also the realistic lifetime expectation after the first breakdown — particularly whether it will be feasible to repair locally, or if we will be dependent on long and expensive shipping for parts or technical support.

If you could provide these materials promptly, I would greatly appreciate it and will be in a much better position to make a confident purchasing decision.

Looking forward to your detailed response.

Best regards, Marcin Jakubowski Open Source Ecology [Your Email Address] [Your Phone Number, optional] [Website, optional]