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=Hydrogen Generator= | =Hydrogen Generator= | ||
'''Summary: 1 kg of hydrogen every 3 days - with $4k off-the-shelf equipment today. Integrating to larger sizes and using open source technology, we can likely lower this 3x at point of purchase and 30x over lifetime. [[Spicer Electrolyzer]] already showed a $3k/1 kg/day system. Capital cost for large-scale systems is $430/kW generation capacity (about 1/2 kg/day system) - which is over 10x cheaper than the off-the-shelf system above [https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/doe-technical-targets-hydrogen-production-electrolysis]. Clear indication of $1000/ 1 kG/day production exists. Key would be designing for lifetime - with easy maintanance. Lifetime design is a strength of an open source ecosystem. OSE collaborative design predicts meeting or exceeding of industrial scale efficiency on a village scale. ''' | |||
==Separating Hydrogen Generator== | ==Separating Hydrogen Generator== | ||
*Diagram of system - [https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy19osti/70380.pdf]. Paper has info contacts at NREL, and comparison of PEM to alkaline. | *Diagram of system - [https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy19osti/70380.pdf]. Paper has info contacts at NREL, and comparison of PEM to alkaline. | ||
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**Redo the same - and 10x lower cost. | **Redo the same - and 10x lower cost. | ||
**Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr. | **Need 3 hours of [[Honda EU1000]] generator - or 2.7 kWhr. | ||
*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- | *'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- see below at Sourcing section | ||
**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression (thus 500 gal at 4 bar can handle 2 days worth of generation), but if it is solar generation, that is 8 days of storage)) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day. | **x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression (thus 500 gal at 4 bar can handle 2 days worth of generation), but if it is solar generation, that is 8 days of storage)) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day (kg of hydrogen is about 11 cu m [https://www.ebay.com/itm/255105178473?hash=item3b65741b69:g:ZhAAAOSwiKthI2IF]) | ||
*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'. | *Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'. | ||
*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.55 gal [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=tank+size+of+honda+1000eu&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is | *'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.55 gal [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=tank+size+of+honda+1000eu&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is | ||
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*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372] | *Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372] | ||
*[[Alkaline Electrolyzer Design]] | *[[Alkaline Electrolyzer Design]] | ||
=Slow Life Electrolyzer= | |||
*Say we want to travel into town once per week - one gallon of fuel used - to travel 50 miles round trip. | |||
*The $700 electrolyzer (500 cc/min) gets us 0.3 kg every 5 days. Every 15 days - we build up enough hydrogen for a trip to town in an efficient car (50 mpg or more). | |||
*We would need 2-3 such electrolyzers - about $2k - to generate a gallon of gas equivalent. | |||
*If an average person does 10000 miles travel per year - we need 200 gallons nominally. | |||
*We get about 58 grams per day from one 500 cc electrolyzer. We need 0.6 kg/day to power up a regular car with average driving schedule. That is still only 10 of these electrolyzers! Quite doable. | |||
*'''Summary:''' an average Mercan can make their own hydrogen to keep up with their car - for $7k in off-shelf electrolyzers. This means that an average american [https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/your-money/gas-costs-hundreds-more-for-average-american/#:~:text=When%20you%20divide%2013%2C500%20miles,%241%2C837%20a%20year%20on%20gas.] pays back for their stack in 4 years. This is an enterprise worth pursuing, but only through [[Collaborative Development]]. | |||
=Sourcing= | =Sourcing= | ||
==Alkaline== | ==Alkaline== | ||
*150W, 300 cc/min - $600 - [https://www.ebay.com/itm/234348455648?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28] | *150W, 300 cc/min - $600 - [https://www.ebay.com/itm/234348455648?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28] | ||
*'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/itm/ | *'''500 cc/min - $700 '''- [https://www.ebay.com/itm/255105178473?hash=item3b65741b69:g:ZhAAAOSwiKthI2IF] | ||
==PEM== | ==PEM== | ||
*$34k/2000cc/min at 16 bar. [https://www.fuelcellstore.com/hydrogen-equipment/laboratory-gas-generators/hy-pem-xp-2000-rack?limit=25] | *$34k/2000cc/min at 16 bar. [https://www.fuelcellstore.com/hydrogen-equipment/laboratory-gas-generators/hy-pem-xp-2000-rack?limit=25] | ||
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*'''Compare to the [[Spicer Electrolyzer]] - which can likely be produced for $100 per cell - and $3k per 1kg/day capacity. At scale, the Spicer system can likely be much more cheap. | *'''Compare to the [[Spicer Electrolyzer]] - which can likely be produced for $100 per cell - and $3k per 1kg/day capacity. At scale, the Spicer system can likely be much more cheap. | ||
*This is worth pursuing today. | *This is worth pursuing today. | ||
=Internal Links= | |||
*[[Alkaline Electrolysis]] | |||
=External Links= | |||
*[https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/926321 A 2008 Report Titled "A Low-Cost High-Pressure Hydrogen Generator" ] (Move this to [[High Pressure Electrolysis]] or a similar page once that is made) | |||
*[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196890422004381 A 2022 Paper Titled "The case for high-pressure PEM water electrolysis" ] (Move this to [[High Pressure Electrolysis]] or a similar page once that is made) | |||
*[https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1149/1945-7111/abda57 A 2021 Paper Titled "Evaluation of Diaphragms and Membranes as Separators for Alkaline Water Electrolysis" ] (Move this to [[Alkaline Electrolysis]] / [[Alkaline Electolyzer]] / [[Alkaline Electrolyser]] once that/those pages are made) | |||
**AN [[Open Access Paper | OPEN ACESS PAPER]]? How Refreshing! | |||
*[https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-24284-5 A 2021 Paper Titled "A membrane-free flow electrolyzer operating at high current density using earth-abundant catalysts for water splitting" ] | |||
*[https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy19osti/70380.pdf A 2017 Report Titled "Manufacturing Competitiveness Analysis for PEM and Alkaline Water Electrolysis Systems" ] (Aimed towards the conventional Mass Manufacturing Audience, but it still may contain useful information) | |||
[[Category: Hydrogen]] |
Latest revision as of 04:30, 6 September 2022
Hydrogen Generator
Summary: 1 kg of hydrogen every 3 days - with $4k off-the-shelf equipment today. Integrating to larger sizes and using open source technology, we can likely lower this 3x at point of purchase and 30x over lifetime. Spicer Electrolyzer already showed a $3k/1 kg/day system. Capital cost for large-scale systems is $430/kW generation capacity (about 1/2 kg/day system) - which is over 10x cheaper than the off-the-shelf system above [1]. Clear indication of $1000/ 1 kG/day production exists. Key would be designing for lifetime - with easy maintanance. Lifetime design is a strength of an open source ecosystem. OSE collaborative design predicts meeting or exceeding of industrial scale efficiency on a village scale.
Separating Hydrogen Generator
- Diagram of system - [2]. Paper has info contacts at NREL, and comparison of PEM to alkaline.
- alkaline electrolyzer stack - price not shown - [3]
- 200 cc/min at 3-8 bar - $9k - [4]. With 1440 minutes/day - or 0.3 cu meter per day [5].
- 1000 cc/min - $3280 - for 1000 ml/min - 1.4 cu meter/day. Alkaline, 4 bar. That is 130 grams of hydrogen per day. [6]
- Redo the same - and 10x lower cost.
- Need 3 hours of Honda EU1000 generator - or 2.7 kWhr.
- 500 cc/min - $700 - see below at Sourcing section
- Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with Honda EU1000 - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
- Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.55 gal [9]) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a Propane Tank - bottom line is
- Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [10]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [11]
- Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [12]
- Alkaline Electrolyzer Design
Slow Life Electrolyzer
- Say we want to travel into town once per week - one gallon of fuel used - to travel 50 miles round trip.
- The $700 electrolyzer (500 cc/min) gets us 0.3 kg every 5 days. Every 15 days - we build up enough hydrogen for a trip to town in an efficient car (50 mpg or more).
- We would need 2-3 such electrolyzers - about $2k - to generate a gallon of gas equivalent.
- If an average person does 10000 miles travel per year - we need 200 gallons nominally.
- We get about 58 grams per day from one 500 cc electrolyzer. We need 0.6 kg/day to power up a regular car with average driving schedule. That is still only 10 of these electrolyzers! Quite doable.
- Summary: an average Mercan can make their own hydrogen to keep up with their car - for $7k in off-shelf electrolyzers. This means that an average american [13] pays back for their stack in 4 years. This is an enterprise worth pursuing, but only through Collaborative Development.
Sourcing
Alkaline
PEM
- $34k/2000cc/min at 16 bar. [16]
- Produces 1/4 kg/day.
- Lasts 40000 hrs according to internet [17]
- This is about 400 kg of hydrogen produced - or $85/kg just for the electrolyzer. Fuggeddaboudit.
DIY Separating
- thediyscienceguy@gmail.com - [18]
Mixing Generator
- $200 for 6 lpm - but this is HHO, not H + 0
- Graphite plates work well - [19]
- Wet vs dry cell design - [20]
Summary
- 500 cc/min = 0.7 cu m / day [21]
- 0.7 cu m = 0.06 kg. [22]
- This means 5 of these give 0.3 kg/day - at a cost of $3100 of equipment
- Off-the-shelf - 1 kg/day of hydrogen costs $10k.
- Compare to the Spicer Electrolyzer - which can likely be produced for $100 per cell - and $3k per 1kg/day capacity. At scale, the Spicer system can likely be much more cheap.
- This is worth pursuing today.
Internal Links
External Links
- A 2008 Report Titled "A Low-Cost High-Pressure Hydrogen Generator" (Move this to High Pressure Electrolysis or a similar page once that is made)
- A 2022 Paper Titled "The case for high-pressure PEM water electrolysis" (Move this to High Pressure Electrolysis or a similar page once that is made)
- A 2021 Paper Titled "Evaluation of Diaphragms and Membranes as Separators for Alkaline Water Electrolysis" (Move this to Alkaline Electrolysis / Alkaline Electolyzer / Alkaline Electrolyser once that/those pages are made)
- AN OPEN ACESS PAPER? How Refreshing!
- A 2021 Paper Titled "A membrane-free flow electrolyzer operating at high current density using earth-abundant catalysts for water splitting"
- A 2017 Report Titled "Manufacturing Competitiveness Analysis for PEM and Alkaline Water Electrolysis Systems" (Aimed towards the conventional Mass Manufacturing Audience, but it still may contain useful information)