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**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.  
**x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=1000+gal+to+cu+m&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]. Or 290 grams per day.  
*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
*Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with [[Honda EU1000]] - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.6 gal) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is  
*'''Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.55 gal [https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk026QG9BbsZl0rNsBS9KmerMgczY_w%3A1602863734253&source=hp&ei=dsKJX6q8DJDYsAXHkpG4Cw&q=tank+size+of+honda+1000eu&btnK=Google+Search&oq=how+to+configure+nvidia+geforce+gtx+1650+super+on+linux+mint&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKsCMgUIIRCrAjoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6DgguELEDEMcBEKMCEJMCOggILhDHARCvAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6AggAOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABUMsQWOmzAWD8tAFoBnAAeACAAeQGiAGhS5IBDTExLjQ3LjMuMi42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEG&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiqz4DcvLnsAhUQLKwKHUdJBLcQ4dUDCAk&uact=5]) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a [[Propane Tank]] - bottom line is  
*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]
*Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krz5k4gu_pw]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [https://www.msesupplies.com/products/10-mm-spherical-premium-yttria-stabilized-zirconia-ysz-milling-grinding-media-buy-by-weight?variant=23685767430202&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw2dD7BRASEiwAWCtCbxxVlLs_zZ7YXAh7yX5FxpHyn9GA_7-ECKUwn9pCEx5_yC6d0RbdFhoCuWUQAvD_BwE]
*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]
*Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/10/4/452/2363372]

Revision as of 01:32, 14 February 2021

OSE Position

OSE proposes a robust economy based on water lubricated internal combustion engines running on hydrogen as a solution for distributed power production - available today using current technology with no new innovation needed outside of social innovation towards acceptance of the possibility.

Info

  • Hydrogen Station Compression and Costs from NREL - [1]. Concludes cost of compression, storage, and
  • Diaphragm compressor - for hydrogen - [2]
  • Piston compressors provide high volume. Easier to do than diaphragm compressors. No need for ultra purity in hydrogen engines. [3]

Low Pressure Storage

  • Low pressure hydrogen storage - [4] - NJ demo house.

Companies

  • Pure Energy Centre - [5]

Hydrogen Cylinders

  • 2000 PSI - 194 cu f (5.5 cu m) [6]

Hydrogen Generator

Separating Generator

  • Diagram of system - [7]. Paper has info contacts at NREL, and comparison of PEM to alkaline.
  • alkaline electrolyzer stack - price not shown - [8]
  • 200 cc/min at 3-8 bar - $9k - [9]. With 1440 minutes/day - or 0.3 cu meter per day [10].
  • 1000 cc/min - $3280 - for 1000 ml/min - 1.4 cu meter/day. Alkaline, 4 bar. That is 130 grams of hydrogen per day. [11]
    • Redo the same - and 10x lower cost.
    • Need 3 hours of Honda EU1000 generator - or 2.7 kWhr.
  • 500 cc/min - $700 - [12]
    • x5 = $3500 for 2500 cc/min or 3.5 cu m per day (about 1000 gal propane tank with no compression) [13]. Or 290 grams per day.
  • Power extraction - If 0.6 gal used for 7 hours at 1/4 power with Honda EU1000 - the gen set can do 7 hours at 200W. Or 1.4 kWhr. It advertises 3.2 hours at full power - or nearly 3 kW. Note that 3.2 hours at rated load of 900W - nearly 3 kWhr - on 0.6 gal gas. So it's more efficient to run at full power, which wastes less energy due to 'reciprocating pump loss'.
  • Bottom line - 290 grams per day of hydrogen - less than 1/3 kg equivalent - means about one half the 0.6 kg (0.55 gal [14]) equivalent tank of the Honda EU1000. Thus, we get a power of about 1.5 kWhr from the daily generation of hydrogen using a Honda1000EU generator at full power. Not bad. That is marginal full power storage from an eco-home with smart energy. If designed for smart energy use, then this solar hydrogen route could be completely viable. Using $3500 in hydrogen generation. For storage in a Propane Tank - bottom line is
  • Zirfon PERL is common electrolyzer separator material - [15]. It is a polysulfone (3D printable) and 85% ZrO2 nanoparticles blend. ZrO2 - [16]
  • Both stainless steel and nickel work as electrodes - [17]
  • Alkaline Electrolyzer Design

DIY Separating

  • thediyscienceguy@gmail.com - [18]

Mixing Generator

  • $200 for 6 lpm - but this is HHO, not H + 0
  • Graphite plates work well - [19]
  • Wet vs dry cell design - [20]

Demonstration Hydrogen Houses

  • Hopewell Project - NJ - [21]. AKA Hydrogen House - [22]
  • Scientific American - Oh, only $500k for the off-grid home - [23]

Hydrogen Engines

Fuel Cells

  • Fuel cell types overview - [25]
  • 1kW costs $5k - [26]
  • 400W for 8.5k Euro [27]
  • $60/W - [28]
  • 11k fuel cell cars exist already worldwide, half of them being in California - [29]
  • From [30] - Fccars.png

Efficiency and Lifetime

  • Efficiency from electrolysis back to electricity in fuel cells is 45% with fuel cells - p. 11 - [31]
  • Lifetime of PEM FC is only 2k-4k hours in cars, and 40k in stationary applications. Major issues with longevity! [32]

Fueling Stations

  • Cost approximately $1M each. OSE could fund these from proceeds of programmatic revenue in locations of OSE Campuses.

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