Talk:Global Village Construction Set
You've got a typo in your Product Matrix: Earch --Dennis 09:44, 8 March 2009 (PDT)
CEB Press-I've found a company that will sell a CEB that produces two bricks a minute for $1500. http://www.ferncometal.com/brickfactory.shtml
My interest in the CEB stems from construction site visits in Jordan, Sri Lanka, Dubai and Oman. Interlocking bricks opens up a huge labor pool as skilled masons are not necessary. Any work on interlocking CEB at Factor E?
How much did yours cost to build?--Dennis 09:54, 8 March 2009 (PDT)
Have you noticed the 'toys-for-boys' aspect? Tools, cars, power. Additional projects might include looms and sewing machines. Ron Broberg 20:31, 22 July 2011 (CEST)
- I'd like to second that 'Boys Toys' comment. As I understand it Washing Machine are one of the greatest labor saving devices created. Villages also need to have clothes, food, communication, security. If you truly want to build '... Machines that it takes to build a small, sustainable civilization with modern comforts', then Washing Machines, printing presses, clothes, and food mixers are much more vital than something like a '3d Scanner' will ever be. I have yet to meet a farmer that uses a 3D scanner.
- * just googled for citations for that, but found little, so take that claim with some salt. Far McKon 20:31, 05 Nov 2011 (CEST)
- I have to agree, some home appliances are much more important to the world than some of the GVCS machines. The world is hungry for Open Source machines like: Washing Machines, Refrigerators, Dryers. Many other such home appliances are not so important for building the world from scratch but they would be adopted very fast, radically transforming the world in super-fast time, and making the OSE project much more visible. Also would bring much more needed cash, from selling those home appliances but also from the people who will hear about the OSE. Such home appliances would be: Microwave, Coffeemaker, Stove, Oven, Dust Buster, etc. Gonzo 20:43, 25 February 2012 (CET)
- I agree; particularly, a heat pump for heating or especially refrigeration is much more important than a pelletizer or an industrial robot, for example. It is difficult for modern people to appreciate the sea change that the advent of refrigeration brought with it. --Tiago Rodrigues (talk) 17:42, 31 January 2013 (CET)
- True, a refrigeration engine that can be used in refrigerators or in other machines would be very useful. Solar refrigeration should be explored too: In 2008, a group of students at San Jose State University built a solar-powered ice maker with $100 worth of plumbing and a four-by-eight-foot (1.2-by-2.4-meter) sheet of reflecting steel. No moving parts, no electricity, but give it a couple hours of sunshine and it can make a large bag of ice. - that would help to make desert farming a viable alternative.
- I also think it would be very nice to have the ovens (or technology) to make bricks and tiles. By pure chance, I just found this page that tells a little bit about how to start a brick manufacturing facility: Becoming a Brick Manufacturer. It's amazing to see that there are 549 people asking for additional advice for how to start such a business, since 2009 until a few days ago, the people keep asking. Therefore the market for such thing should be huge. I'm quite sure that the same applies to tile manufacturing tiles - maybe even much more, since the tiles are used much more than bricks, and the tiles can also be made open source, and this would reduce the cost of replacing broken tiles (you have to replace a broken tile with another tile that has the same shape and color). Gonzo (talk) 00:24, 13 September 2014 (CEST)
50 or 51 machines?
I just noticed that the page Rollout Plan contains a machine that is not in the GVCS list: Power Inverter. Is that a new addition to the GVCS or it's just one of the 50 machines, with different name? Gonzo 20:54, 25 February 2012 (CET)
- The GVCS is a system of open source infrastructure. The tools in it are for making the bare minimum agriculture/industry base necessary to support and expand a village. Washing machines need that infrastructure before they can be fabricated. So, when the GVCS is finished, it will be able to make washing machines. - Matt_Maier 25FEB2012
- I understand, but what is the point of that specific order? What kind of enormous benefits is it giving to make it more desirable than having lots of sales and money and making the project known to everyone in the world? Do you really think that the majority of the people in the world will move to villages, then they will create new cities, infrastructure, factories from scratch in order to get to the point where they can make washing machines on their own? Why to re-create the world again based on open source and resource based economy concepts, in an order that wastes years or decades, instead of giving the world what it needs now, and getting to re-creation of the world based on those concepts, in months or 1-2 year(s)? Why to refuse to the world the opportunity to change now, in the name of a specific order? Gonzo (talk) 05:11, 26 February 2012 (CET)
Do you have to certify the GVCS machines in order to be able to sell or use them? If yes, then how much it costs? I would like to know more about the certification issue. Thanks. Gonzo (talk) 12:19, 27 February 2012 (CET)
Constructing a Village: One Slight Problem.
This seems to assume you have half a workshop already. What happens if you don't have some of the tools? It's all very well making parts to make anything, but not if your massive pile of scrap doesn't have a circular saw and metal drill in it.
Surely, without working in how to make tools into this CS, you will never make it bootstrappable. One will never be able to make another without outside parts.
- Everyone is aware of it. You need basic tools to start a GVCS, please read the whole thing before posing these "questions" --jorgeandr3s (talk) 16:12, 4 August 2014 (CEST)