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== Overview ==
{{OrigLang}}


We need to look at people, tools, priorities, jobs.
== How to use this page ==


== Team ==
* Please include yourself in the Team.
* Then look at some of the Priorities and work on that.
* In order to work you need [[Wiki_instructions#Logging_In|an account at the wiki]].
* Please follow the [[#Page_Title_Convention|conventions on naming pages]].
* [[Special:WantedPages]] could be useful in looking for articles that have not yet been translated.


(In time there could be a table, sortable by language.  Help if you can.)
== People ==


* [[User:LucasG|LucasG]], Alexandra Saxton - Spanish
=== Team ===
* [[Elifarley Cruz]] - Portuguese
{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
* [[User:EtienneD|Etienne D]], [[User:Sourinux|Sourinux]] - French
|+ Team
* [[User:Nipsky|Nipsky]] - German
|-
* ...
! scope="col" | Who
! scope="col" | Language
! scope="col" class="unsortable" | Comments
|-
| [[User:LucasG|LucasG]] || Spanish || x
|-
| Alexandra Saxton || Spanish || x
|-
| [[User:Yoques|Yoques]] || Spanish || x
|-
| [[Elifarley Cruz]] || Portuguese || x
|-
| [[User:EtienneD|Etienne D]] || French || x
|-
| [[User:Sourinux|Sourinux]] || French || x
|-
| [[User:Bianconejo|BiancoNejo]] || French || x
|-
| [[User:Nipsky|Nipsky]] || German || x
|-
| [[User:William_Neal|William Neal]] || French || x
|-
| [[User:Knut Brekken|Knut Brekken]] || Norwegian || x
|-
| [[User:Dani-lfc|Dani-lfc]] || Spanish || x
|-
| [[User:Garbageek|Arthur_Kulik]] || Ukrainian || x
|-
| [[User:Xevale|Xevale]] || Spanish || x
|-
| [[Venko]] || Croatian || x
|-
| [[Zac]]|| Italian || x
|-
| [[PabloOK]]|| Spanish || x
|-
| Noelonium || German || x
|-
| [[User:jorgeandr3s|Andrés Delgado]] || Spanish || x
|-
| [[User:Eudoxia|Eudoxia]] || Spanish || x
|-
| [[User:Stefano|Stefano Tacchi]] || Italian ||
|-
| [[User:Juan_Fernandez|Juan Fernández]] || Spanish || x
|-
| [[RafaD]] || Spanish || x
|-
| [[User:OSE Polska|OSE Polska]] || Polish ||
|-
| [[User:SilviOpen|Silvio Brera]] || Italian ||
|-
| [[User:Gomex|Rafael Gomes]] || Portuguese || x
|-
| [[User:Tania_Silva|Tania Silva]] || Portuguese || x
|-
| [[User:Polemidis|Emmanouil Karamousadakis]] || Greek || x
|-
| Add yourself as a copy of this entry || With your language || x
|}
 
=== Other ways to help with translations ===
 
We can see it as a grid: some are interested in lines (one language), some in rows (some domain), some in cells (a specific page for a specific language):
* Some will want to be part of the Team (see above).
* Some will be interested in in some specific page for a specific language, not in translations in general.
* In time, some may even be interested in curating domain dictionaries ("shaft" is not a word I normally use so I don't know what it is in Spanish).


We need to find ways to engage "one shot" translators who won't work inside a team: people who are interested in some specific page for a specific language, not in translations in general.  We can see it as a grid: some are interested in lines (one language), some in rows (some domain), some in cells (a specific page for a specific language).  In time, some may even be interested in curating domain dictionaries ("shaft" is not a word I normally use so I don't know what it is in Spanish).
We'll find out as we grow.


== Tools ==
== Tools and advice ==


* http://universalsubtitles.org/ - useful for subtitles, used at (example), now accepts vimeo too.
* http://universalsubtitles.org/ - useful for subtitles, used at (example), now accepts vimeo too.
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** SubViewer (.sub)
** SubViewer (.sub)
* [http://www.tsf-twb.org/ Translators Without Borders]
* [http://www.tsf-twb.org/ Translators Without Borders]
* ...
== Advice ==
* http://www.acclaro.com/white-papers/translating-user-assistance-content
* http://www.acclaro.com/white-papers/translating-user-assistance-content
* http://www.omegat.org/en/omegat.html - Java based, features segmentation and a glossary, can import MediaWiki pages
* http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/demos/speech.html - useful speech-to-text synthesis tool (works with the Chrome Browser only)
* https://www.transifex.com/ OpenSource Tool
* http://www.duolingo.com/translations/upload duolingo crowdsourced translations


== Wiki Translation ==
== Wiki Translation ==
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===Basics rules to create your pages===
===Basics rules to create your pages===
* The name of the translated article ''My Page'' will be ''My Page''/'''xx''', where '''xx''' is the ''ISO code'' of the language in '''lower case'''.
* The name of the translated article ''My Page'' will be ''My Page''/'''xx''', where '''xx''' is the ''ISO code'' of the language in '''lower case'''.
* Always add '''<nowiki>{{OrigLang|}}</nowiki>''' to the '''original English page'''. It will display the links to all language versions of this page.
* Always insert [[Template:OrigLang|'''<nowiki>{{OrigLang}}</nowiki>''']] at the top of the '''original ''English'' page'''. It will automatically display the links to all language versions of this page.
* Always add '''<nowiki>{{Lang|}}</nowiki>''' to a '''translated page''', which will display the links to all other language versions of this page.
* Always insert [[Template:Lang|'''<nowiki>{{Lang|Translated Title}}</nowiki>''']] at the top of the '''''translated'' page''', which will automatically display the links to all other language versions of this page.
* If you'd like to translate the title as well, just add the translated title like this: <nowiki>{{Lang|Translated Title}}</nowiki>. Never change the article's name as this will break the language links.
** ''Don't forget to replace '''Translated Title''' with the proper translation of the article title.''
* Make sure you are working on the new article and don't accidentally translate the original one.
* Make sure you are working on the new article and don't accidentally translate the original one.
* It will automatically add the language category to the pages.
* It will automatically add the language category to the pages.
* When creating a link to another page, use [[Template:LinkLang|'''<nowiki>{{LinkLang|Target page name|translated page name}}</nowiki>''']]
* When including a template, use [[Template:IncludeLang|'''<nowiki>{{IncludeLang|Template name}}</nowiki>''']]
* Look up difficult terms to translate in the [[:Category: Glossary|glossaries]], and add new terms as appropriate to help the others.
{{Tip|Translating Templates|
If you're translating a '''template''', please enclose the tags ('''<nowiki>{{OrigLang}}</nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki>{{Lang|Translated Title}}</nowiki>''') inside a '''noinclude''' node, like this:
* '''<nowiki><noinclude>{{Lang|Translated Title}}</noinclude></nowiki>'''
}}
=== Wiki Translation Priorities ===
# [[Crash course on OSE]]
# [[Get involved]]
# [[Donate]]
# [[OSE Specifications]]
# [[CEB Press Intro]]
# [[FAQ]]
# [[Main Page]]
## [[Template: Featured Page]]
## [[Template: True Fan]]
## [[Template: GVCS List]]
# [[Evolve to freedom]]
# [[Contact us]]
# [http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2011/03/open-source-micro-factory/ Open Source Micro Factory]:
## Español: [http://translate.google.com/toolkit/workbench?did=00002gb62z9vbb4 es: blog - Open Source Micro Factory]
## Português: [http://translate.google.com/toolkit/workbench?did=00002gb0zhee7ls pt: blog - Open Source Micro Factory]
## Français: [http://translate.google.com/toolkit/workbench?did=00002gavq2fkxz4 fr: blog - Open Source Micro Factory]
## Russian: [http://translate.google.com/toolkit/workbench?did=00002gdbixy0uf4 ru: blog - Open Source Micro Factory]
#[[So, you want to build a new civilization?]]
# '''All pages in [[:Category: EN]]'''
#...
=== Team ===
{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1"
|+ Priorities
|-
! scope="col" | Article
! scope="col" | 1-EN
! scope="col" | 2-AR
! scope="col" | 3-BG
! scope="col" | 4-BN
! scope="col" | 5-CS
! scope="col" | 6-DE
! scope="col" | 7-EL
! scope="col" | 8-EO
! scope="col" | 9-ES
! scope="col" | 10-FR
! scope="col" | 11-HE
! scope="col" | 12-HI
! scope="col" | 13-HR
! scope="col" | 14-HU
! scope="col" | 15-IT
! scope="col" | 16-JA
! scope="col" | 17-LT
! scope="col" | 18-NL
! scope="col" | 19-NO
! scope="col" | 20-PA
! scope="col" | 21-PL
! scope="col" | 22-PT
! scope="col" | 23-RO
! scope="col" | 24-RU
! scope="col" | 25-SV
! scope="col" | 26-TH
! scope="col" | 27-TR
! scope="col" | 28-UK
! scope="col" | 29-VI
! scope="col" | 30-ZH-HANS
|-
| [[Crash course on OSE]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || O ||  ||  ||R|| x ||  ||  ||  ||  || x ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || I ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [[Get involved]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || R ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || x ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [[Donate]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || x ||  ||  || O || I ||  ||  ||  ||  || x ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [[OSE Specifications]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || I ||  ||  || I || I ||  ||  ||  ||  || I ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||
|-
| [[CEB Press Intro]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || R||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [[FAQ]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || I ||  ||  ||O|| ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [[Main Page]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || I ||  ||  || R || R ||  ||  ||  ||  || x ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || x ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [[Evolve to freedom]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || R ||  ||  || R || x ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [[Contact Us]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || x ||  ||  || R || I ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2011/03/open-source-micro-factory/ Open Source Micro Factory] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [[So, you want to build a new civilization?]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || X ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
| [[Open Source Ecology Paradigm]] ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || X ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  || 
|-
|}
Add topics, x for done, R for revision needed, I for Incomplete, O for outdated
=== Questions and suggestions to improve the process ===
The following are suggestions from translators.  They can be explored to streamline the process further for the next translations.
* Wikipedia shows translations of this page in the left column.  But I don't know if normal users are allowed into editing the left column.  The default is leaving a menu of languages at the top of the page.
** One possibility is to change the '''Google Translation widget''' (at the left) so that it takes you to the language-specific subpage if it exists. If it doesn't exist, it would show the machine-generated translation instead.
* Is it possible to tag a translation as "synchronised with English as of today", so that if the main page in English changes, translators will be aware that the translation needs to be updated too?  There's probably some kind of script that can at least run through headings and see that there have or haven't been major changes to the structure of the page.
* Translators read almost as carefully as implementers, or sometimes even more carefully, and both may detect:
** Ways to translate something better.  These comments should go in the "discussion" page of the translated page.
** Ambiguities, lack of clarity, unnecessary complexity in wording or phrasing.  These comments belong in the "discussion" page of the original page in English, because once they are solved they benefit both the original and the translations.  An extra benefit of writing clearly (and feedback adds to this) is that automatic translation engines will probably produce better results.
** Links to both "discussion" pages should probably become a standard, with standard phrasing such as "comments about the translation" and "comments about the English page", or better.


== Video Translation ==
== Video Translation ==
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''(Have you noticed we now have '''ELEVEN translations''' for the main video at the front page? IIRC, we initially translated to Portuguese, Spanish and Italian only. Now, we also have '''Czech, French, Hungarian, Polish, Romanian, Russian, Swedish and Traditional Chinese'''. THANK YOU ALL who have contributed!)''
''(Have you noticed we now have '''ELEVEN translations''' for the main video at the front page? IIRC, we initially translated to Portuguese, Spanish and Italian only. Now, we also have '''Czech, French, Hungarian, Polish, Romanian, Russian, Swedish and Traditional Chinese'''. THANK YOU ALL who have contributed!)''


==Priorities==
=== Video Translation Priorities ===
 
# [http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/2011/03/open-source-micro-factory/ Open Source Micro Factory]:
## Español: [http://translate.google.com/toolkit/workbench?did=00002gb62z9vbb4 es: blog - Open Source Micro Factory]
## Português: [http://translate.google.com/toolkit/workbench?did=00002gb0zhee7ls pt: blog - Open Source Micro Factory]
## Français: [http://translate.google.com/toolkit/workbench?did=00002gavq2fkxz4 fr: blog - Open Source Micro Factory]
## Russian: [http://translate.google.com/toolkit/workbench?did=00002gdbixy0uf4 ru: blog - Open Source Micro Factory]
# [[Main Page]]
# [[Crash Course]] ''(French translation in the making !)''
# [[Get Involved]]
# [[FAQ]]
# [[Evolve to freedom]]
# [[Donate]]
# [[Contact us]]
#...


[[Category: Translation]]
[[Category: Translation]]

Latest revision as of 01:23, 16 August 2020

How to use this page

People

Team

Team
Who Language Comments
LucasG Spanish x
Alexandra Saxton Spanish x
Yoques Spanish x
Elifarley Cruz Portuguese x
Etienne D French x
Sourinux French x
BiancoNejo French x
Nipsky German x
William Neal French x
Knut Brekken Norwegian x
Dani-lfc Spanish x
Arthur_Kulik Ukrainian x
Xevale Spanish x
Venko Croatian x
Zac Italian x
PabloOK Spanish x
Noelonium German x
Andrés Delgado Spanish x
Eudoxia Spanish x
Stefano Tacchi Italian
Juan Fernández Spanish x
RafaD Spanish x
OSE Polska Polish
Silvio Brera Italian
Rafael Gomes Portuguese x
Tania Silva Portuguese x
Emmanouil Karamousadakis Greek x
Add yourself as a copy of this entry With your language x

Other ways to help with translations

We can see it as a grid: some are interested in lines (one language), some in rows (some domain), some in cells (a specific page for a specific language):

  • Some will want to be part of the Team (see above).
  • Some will be interested in in some specific page for a specific language, not in translations in general.
  • In time, some may even be interested in curating domain dictionaries ("shaft" is not a word I normally use so I don't know what it is in Spanish).

We'll find out as we grow.

Tools and advice

Wiki Translation

Page Title Convention

We will use the convention described at The Document Foundation Wiki, that is, we should create subpages with the ISO 639-1 code (2-letter language code). See this example:

  • Original page: Main Page
  • French translation: Main Page/fr
  • Portuguese translation: Main Page/pt

(If you take a look at the top of the translated pages, you'll notice that the links to the various language codes are not properly formatted. Can you help fix this?)

Basics rules to create your pages

  • The name of the translated article My Page will be My Page/xx, where xx is the ISO code of the language in lower case.
  • Always insert {{OrigLang}} at the top of the original English page. It will automatically display the links to all language versions of this page.
  • Always insert {{Lang|Translated Title}} at the top of the translated page, which will automatically display the links to all other language versions of this page.
    • Don't forget to replace Translated Title with the proper translation of the article title.
  • Make sure you are working on the new article and don't accidentally translate the original one.
  • It will automatically add the language category to the pages.
  • When creating a link to another page, use {{LinkLang|Target page name|translated page name}}
  • When including a template, use {{IncludeLang|Template name}}
  • Look up difficult terms to translate in the glossaries, and add new terms as appropriate to help the others.

Translating Templates
If you're translating a template, please enclose the tags ({{OrigLang}} or {{Lang|Translated Title}}) inside a noinclude node, like this:

  • <noinclude>{{Lang|Translated Title}}</noinclude>


Wiki Translation Priorities

  1. Crash course on OSE
  2. Get involved
  3. Donate
  4. OSE Specifications
  5. CEB Press Intro
  6. FAQ
  7. Main Page
    1. Template: Featured Page
    2. Template: True Fan
    3. Template: GVCS List
  8. Evolve to freedom
  9. Contact us
  10. Open Source Micro Factory:
    1. Español: es: blog - Open Source Micro Factory
    2. Português: pt: blog - Open Source Micro Factory
    3. Français: fr: blog - Open Source Micro Factory
    4. Russian: ru: blog - Open Source Micro Factory
  11. So, you want to build a new civilization?
  12. All pages in Category: EN
  13. ...

Team

Priorities
Article 1-EN 2-AR 3-BG 4-BN 5-CS 6-DE 7-EL 8-EO 9-ES 10-FR 11-HE 12-HI 13-HR 14-HU 15-IT 16-JA 17-LT 18-NL 19-NO 20-PA 21-PL 22-PT 23-RO 24-RU 25-SV 26-TH 27-TR 28-UK 29-VI 30-ZH-HANS
Crash course on OSE O R x x I
Get involved R x
Donate x O I x
OSE Specifications I I I I
CEB Press Intro R
FAQ I O
Main Page I R R x x
Evolve to freedom R R x
Contact Us x R I
Open Source Micro Factory
So, you want to build a new civilization? X
Open Source Ecology Paradigm X

Add topics, x for done, R for revision needed, I for Incomplete, O for outdated

Questions and suggestions to improve the process

The following are suggestions from translators. They can be explored to streamline the process further for the next translations.

  • Wikipedia shows translations of this page in the left column. But I don't know if normal users are allowed into editing the left column. The default is leaving a menu of languages at the top of the page.
    • One possibility is to change the Google Translation widget (at the left) so that it takes you to the language-specific subpage if it exists. If it doesn't exist, it would show the machine-generated translation instead.
  • Is it possible to tag a translation as "synchronised with English as of today", so that if the main page in English changes, translators will be aware that the translation needs to be updated too? There's probably some kind of script that can at least run through headings and see that there have or haven't been major changes to the structure of the page.
  • Translators read almost as carefully as implementers, or sometimes even more carefully, and both may detect:
    • Ways to translate something better. These comments should go in the "discussion" page of the translated page.
    • Ambiguities, lack of clarity, unnecessary complexity in wording or phrasing. These comments belong in the "discussion" page of the original page in English, because once they are solved they benefit both the original and the translations. An extra benefit of writing clearly (and feedback adds to this) is that automatic translation engines will probably produce better results.
    • Links to both "discussion" pages should probably become a standard, with standard phrasing such as "comments about the translation" and "comments about the English page", or better.

Video Translation

(Have you noticed we now have ELEVEN translations for the main video at the front page? IIRC, we initially translated to Portuguese, Spanish and Italian only. Now, we also have Czech, French, Hungarian, Polish, Romanian, Russian, Swedish and Traditional Chinese. THANK YOU ALL who have contributed!)

Video Translation Priorities